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« Reply #73 on: Wednesday,June 02, 2010 »

 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:36 AM
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 Hello Keith,

Below is the Vietnam Veterans Family Study (VVFS) Update that may be of interest to your distribution list!

Kind regards

David Matheson

President, COVVHS

www.covvhs.org.au

 

Article May 2010

Vietnam Veterans? Family Study (VVFS) Update

The VVFS is investigating the long term effects of war service on Vietnam veterans? families. This study will help provide a better understanding of what those impacts are and how best to assist those who need help.

It was initially expected that the VVFS would conclude in December 2016, however, it is now anticipated that the final research reports will be completed by the end of 2011.  Following receipt of all the research reports, a report incorporating these research elements will be completed and this is expected to be handed to Government in the latter half of 2012.  If all goes to plan, this is over four years earlier than originally programmed and will be achieved without compromising the scientific validity of the study.

Registration numbers have continued to increase, however we are still encouraging registrations as the more people involved in the study, the greater the validity of the results.  In particular we are still seeking greater participation from the nieces and nephews of Vietnam veterans to compare the following groups:

       the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans,

       the nieces and nephews of Vietnam veterans, and

       the children of Vietnam era ex-Army personnel (the control group for this study).

These group comparisons should allow the researchers to identify any significant differences in health and well-being between these groups or between these groups and the general Australian population.

The first research component of the study, the Re-analysis of the Vietnam Veterans? Sons and Daughters Project data, which was undertaken by Enhance Management, has been completed.  This report is available on the main DVA web site (www.dva.gov.au/vvfs).

Five of the studys other research components are underway.  These are the:

       Semi-Structured Telephone Interviews being undertaken by the Institute for Social Science Research and the Centre for Military and Veterans? Health.

       History of Health Case Studies being undertaken by Open Mind Research Group.

       In-depth Case Study (Ethnographic Study) being undertaken by TNS Social Research.

       Main Survey being undertaken by Colmar Brunton Social Research.

       Children of Vietnam Veterans Mortality Study being undertaken by TNS Social Research.

The first three research components detailed above, along with the Re-analysis of the Vietnam Veterans? Sons and Daughters Project data, will provide information to assist with the development of the main survey questionnaire.  It is expected results from these three components will be finalised shortly with the final reports available on the web site later in 2010.

Once development of the main survey questionnaire is completed, it will be sent out to all registered participants.  This is likely to be in the latter third of 2010.

More information on how to register for the study can be found at www.dva.gov.au/vvfs or by calling the FSP Team on freecall 1800 502 302.
 

Timor-Leste Family Study Progress

Military service, particularly deployment, may have a profound effect not only on those who serve but also on their families.  The Timor-Leste Family Study aims to determine what, if any, physical, mental or social health impacts there are on military families as a result of deployment, particularly to Timor Leste.  The study also aims to identify any potential risk or protective factors that influence the ability of Defence families to cope with deployments.  The Centre for Military and Veterans? Health (CMVH) is running the Timor-Leste Family Study as part of the larger Department of Veterans? Affairs Family Study Program.

The research includes information provided by the families of people who:

       deployed to Timor-Leste, or

       were eligible to deploy to Timor-Leste but did not.

These families may or may not have been deployed on other operations.

The study will help DVA and Defence better understand the impact of deployment on Defence families and identify the kinds of support services that would best help these families prior to, during and after deployments.

You can contribute to the success of this research by telling your friends and family about this study and by participating in the study. Potential participants will soon be sent information packages explaining the research and asking them to participate.  

For further information:

Contact us:     call 1800 708 335

            
                website www.cmvh.org.au

 
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« Reply #72 on: Saturday,May 08, 2010 »

 
From: Bill and Margaret Krause
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:33 PM
Subject: Fw: Scholarships for Children of Veterans intending Tertiary Studies in 2011  


Scholarships for Children of Veterans intending Tertiary Studies in 2011

Closing on 31 October 2010 for Scholarships & Grants being offered in 2011

Dear Administrator

We ask for your assistance with the distribution of this electronic copy of our AVCAT flyer

to promote Scholarships and Grants in Tertiary Studies in 2011

Our web address is     www.avcat.org.au

Our email address is   avcat@dva.gov.au

Yours sincerely

Mark Newell

Executive Officer

Australian Veterans Children Assistance Trust


AUSTRALIAN VETERANS?

CHILDREN ASSISTANCE TRUST

Scholarships for Children of Veterans intending Tertiary Studies in 2011

In 2011 the Australian Veterans Children Assistance Trust (AVCAT) are expecting to give financial assistance for up to 65 students under many different scholarship schemes. All schemes help the selected children in need of the Australian veteran community with the costs of tertiary education. Applicants are considered for all schemes for which they are eligible.

Applications open on 18 August 2010. To apply you must be:

a.         Within the means test. That is eligible on assets and income grounds for Youth Allowance benefits for full- time education.

b.         Enrolled, or planning to enrol in a full-time course of tertiary education in Australia by attendance at a

university, TAFE or college. The course must be of one or more academic years length and at undergraduate level.

c.         The child or grandchild of a person who has operational service with the Australian Navy, Army or Air Force, or if not has three or more years continuous full-time service as a member of the Australian Defence Force.

d.         Under the age of 25 when applying, unless exceptional circumstances related to veteran?s service exist.

The largest scheme is the Long Tan Bursary funded by the Australian Government. There are 50 new bursaries each year. They are valued at $9,000 each which is paid at $3,000 per year for three years. There are selection quotas for each State and Territory. To apply you must be the child of an Australian Vietnam Veteran, be resident in Australia, be entering any year of tertiary study, having not previously received a Long Tan Bursary.

The other national schemes are the AVCAT Bursary, the two RSL Scholarships, three Vietnam Veterans? Peacekeepers and Peacemakers Scholarship and the Defence Force Welfare Association  Scholarship. George Quinsey Scholarships directly pay tuition fees for economics, commerce and accountancy studies. There are also regional scholarships. In NSW, there are three from Brisbane Water Legacy covering Gosford/Wyong NSW and one from the NSW TPI Association. Some private donors offer two scholarships to resident NSW applicants.  In SA, the VVAA also offers a scholarship.

Schemes vary between $3,000 and $5,000 per year each. Some are restricted to location of residence or studies. Most require veteran service in Vietnam but others are broader in eligibility criteria. Most schemes continue payments for later years of study. All scholarship schemes but one pays monthly instalments. That scheme helps with tuition costs for courses in commerce, economics and accountancy. In addition to the above there is one grant per year to assist a handicapped eligible veteran?s child or grandchild with special extra costs of transition to tertiary studies or employment  

To receive an application form register interest on 1800 620 361. Children and grandchildren of Vietnam veterans should do so now, as should any others who believe that they are eligible. If not sure, ask:

Applications close on 31 October each year.

AVCAT   PO Box K978,  Haymarket,  NSW  1240

FAX: 02 9213 7307,   Email:  avcat@dva.gov.au         Web:   www.avcat.org.au

 Australian Veterans? Children Assistance Trust Limited

ACN 008 609 032 / ABN 50 008 609 032

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Tel   (02)  9213 7988
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« Reply #71 on: Tuesday,October 06, 2009 »

From: Ron King
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:19 AM
Subject:  Children & Grandchildren of Vietnam Veterans Newsletter


 
From: John&Claudia
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject:  Children & Grandchildren of Vietnam Veterans Newsletter


 
Passed on by the 'Info Post'   FYI

 

For your network, please find attached a copy of the first newsletter of our network presenting our first convention.
 
Future newsletters and updates will be posted on my official website at www.intergenerationalptsd.wetpaint.com
 
Cheers.
 
Ken O'Brien

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« Reply #70 on: Wednesday,September 09, 2009 »

From: Matheson Family
To: Keith Tennent
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:21 PM
Subject: COVVHS
 
Hello Keith,

Below may be of interest to your distribution list,

Regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS

www.covvhs.org.au

 

Article September 2009

Registration for the Vietnam Veterans? Family Study, an intergenerational study, is still open.  This family study is comparing the health and wellbeing of the children of Vietnam veterans with the health and well being of children of Army personnel who served during 1962-1975 but did not deploy to Vietnam. The participation of family members is essential for the success of the study.

You can register by calling 1800 502 302 or online at www.dva.gov.au/vvfs.  Registrations are encouraged from:

Randomly selected Vietnam veterans plus their:

         Children/step children;

         Wives/partners;

         Ex-wives/partners;

         Siblings, especially brothers; and

         Nieces and nephews.

 

Randomly selected Army personnel who served during the period 1962  1975 plus their:

         Children/step children;

         Wives/partners; and

         Ex-wives and partners.

 

The members of the studys Consultative Forum are continuing to encourage registrations from randomly selected participants.

 

The studys Scientific Advisory Committee (SAC) has been established. The SAC is chaired by the studys Independent Scientific Advisor, Professor Bryan Rodgers.  The SAC provides advice on scientific matters related to the conduct of the study including methodology and monitoring progress from a scientific point of view.  The SAC will also review the research for accuracy and validity and will be asked to approve the final draft report before it is presented to the Minister for Veterans Affairs via the Repatriation Commission.
 

Five of the studys research components are underway with the:

Children of Vietnam Veterans Mortality Study is being undertaken by TNS Social Research.

Re-analysis of the Vietnam Veterans Sons and Daughters Project is being undertaken by Enhance Management.  

Semi-Structured Telephone Interviews is being undertaken by the Centre for Military and Veterans Health.

History of Health Case Studies is being undertaken by Open Mind Research Group.
In-depth Case Study (Ethnographic Study) being undertaken by TNS Social Research.

The latter three research components will provide information to assist with the development of the main survey questionnaire.  It is expected results from all of this research, with the exception of the Mortality Study, will be finalised in late 2009.

For more information on the study call toll free 1800 502 302 or visit the website: www.dva.gov.au/vvfs.  

OPEN ATTACHMENT TO SEE NUMBERS

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« Reply #69 on: Friday,February 13, 2009 »

From: Matheson Family
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: The Seed Tour Dates


Hello Keith,

This email may be of interest to your list?s families in NSW,

Regards,

David

 


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From: Leanne Galayini kidsofveterans-nsw
Sent: Friday, 13 February 2009 4:49 PM
To: galayini
Subject: The Seed Tour Dates
Importance: High

 

Hi Everyone,
 
We are really excited to let you know that Kate Mulvany received an Arts Grant to take her play - The Seed national.

Her tour dates are attached to this with a blurb about the play.

We will put a Discussion on our website for those who have seen it to write a short comment about what they thought of / got out of seeing the play.

Last year we organised a group of 20 to go to see The Seed and we are also thinking of repeating this again for the Penrith dates of this tour. If you are interested please let me know because a group booking is much cheaper, for those who have paid their membership there will be tha added incentive of a price discount to see the show, so if you haven't paid your annual membership please consider supporting us and you will receive a discount in the process. Kind of a win-win situation. The Membership form is on the website.

We have plenty going on this year too and the Newsletter will be out soon, if you have anything you would like to add to the Newsletter please email us. We do reserve the right to refuse anything which is not in the best interests of our members or which is derogitory or a personal attack.
 
Don't forget to book your tickets early for Kate's show to avoid dissapointment, I am sure it will be a sell out whereever it goes, please support one of our own! Don't forget to tell your friends and family or even better, take them with you. This is a play not to be missed.
 
Take care
 
Leanne and Meg
 
Don't forget to join our website http://veteranskids-nsw.ning.com/
 

 

Looking forward together to a better quality of life

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« Reply #68 on: Saturday,November 22, 2008 »

Hi all and Dr Rod Bain,

I tried to register for the study as I have 3 kids under 18 yrs with what I think may be relevant to the study.

I was told, not by Rod Bain, but by DVA, not interested.

So, DVA, I am not interested either.

In my life as an Advocate for veterans, my credibility and honesty has always been paramount regardless of primary claims submissions or appeal hearings. I won't go to lie or fabricate a veterans case to obtain a benefit. No way!

But I have been told, in this process, that I may lie or fabricate! Hello!

 That I may lie or fabricate on my children's matters, that I have some concern about, but my honesty is in question? That hurt's.

Stick it!

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« Reply #67 on: Saturday,November 22, 2008 »

From: Keith Tennent
To: ESO List ; Veterans List
Cc: Michael Bailey Radio 4RO ; Federal Parliamentary List ; Rockhampton Veteran List
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Vets ask for help on study


From: Blue Ryan
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: FW: Vets ask for help on study


Could you please pass this on to as many veterans and their families as possible

 

Cheers

 

Blue Ryan


Subject: Vets ask for help on study


http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/news/general/vets-ask-for-help-on-study/1365029.aspx



Vets ask for help on study
20/11/2008 8:58:00 AM

A CASTLEMAINE family is calling on the children of Vietnam veterans to take part in a vital inter-generational health study.

The study is exploring the idea that the health of children of Vietnam veterans suffers in comparison with children of the same general population.


VOLUNTEERS: Alan Lane and his daughter Tiffany are taking part in a health study of children of Vietnam veterans.


The Federal Government has pledged $13 million to conduct the study, but more people are needed to ensure it goes ahead.

Vietnam veteran Alan Lane and his daughter Tiffany are taking part.

Alan?s three children have each endured health issues, including depression and cancer.

Tiffany is participating because she firmly believes the children of Vietnam veterans have poorer health than their peers.

?We are trying to get some sort of conclusive evidence, it?s all just circumstantial at the moment,?? she said.

According to Alan, of the 60,000 men conscripted between 1965 and 1972, there were 19,500 who served in Vietnam.

For the study to be conclusive, children of those who served and those who did not are needed.

?We need the children of those who didn?t serve to use as comparison,?? he said.

?There are many veterans? families who have been lobbying extremely hard for this healthy study for many years and for the study to have some chance of being successful, as many veterans and their families as possible are required to register.

The number of Vietnam veterans targeted for the study was 3000. More than 10,000 requests were sent out, but only 2120 had registered by November 2.

Requests were also sent to 9655 veterans of the Vietnam era who did not serve, but only 1141 of the 3000 needed have responded.

The number of children targeted was 1860, with only 593 registered until November.

?If insufficient register for the comparison group, the health study will be fruitless and fall over,?? Alan said.

Registration for the study can be completed online through the Department of Veterans Affairs website or by phoning 1800 502 302.

 

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I would like to thank our brothers and sisters in Australia and encourage you all, Children of Vietnam Veterans, to participate in this study. There are so many of us from the states who are following the COVVHS (Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study).

Let me know you have support from all over the world from men and women who are Children of Vietnam Veterans. We are from the United States, Canada, Sweden, South Vietnam, New Zealand, Hong Kong. Please let us support you!

Much love and respect,

Daughters of Vietnam Veterans info@dovv.net

Posted by Daughters of Vietnam Veterans on 21/11/2008 2:03:04 AM

I'm taking part in the Australian health study and so is my mother and little sister. Sadly my dad can't take part as he passed away about five years ago to suicide.

I've suffered depression my whole life, so please anyone who sees this, please take part, this isn't only good for us Aussies, it means so much to American veterans and their families.

Posted by franny on 21/11/2008 7:33:40 AM

I would participate in this study if I could. I am an American child of a Vietnam vet. My brother and I both have neurological birth defects. Thanks to all that are participating. It means a lot to people all over the world.

Posted by Christy on 21/11/2008 10:54:29 AM

I too am taking part in the Australian Families Health Sudy along with my brother and father. This is an important study and I am thankful that I have the chance to take part and hopefully make a difference.

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« Reply #66 on: Friday,November 14, 2008 »

From: Keith Tennent
To: Veterans List
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:02 AM
Subject: Review of child support urged


COURTESY THE AGE

Review of child support urged
Carol Nader
November 14, 2008
GOVERNMENT authorities are failing to adequately investigate allegations of child support fraud and prosecute parents who have deliberately provided misleading information, the Ombudsman has found.

Instead, the Child Support Agency's fraud control plan focuses almost exclusively on the risks of fraud by staff, rather than parents who are shirking their child support responsibilities.

Ombudsman John McMillan also found that agency staff who were told of fraud allegations "seemed not to know what to do with them" beyond checking to see whether a parent's child support assessment was correct.

"It appears that CSA staff do not generally regard investigating and prosecuting customer fraud as an appropriate strategy or efficient use of resources," he said in a report released yesterday.

"The complaints that we have investigated indicate that the allegations the CSA receives are rarely investigated beyond the point of establishing whether the CSA already has evidence in its records to show that the person has made a false or misleading statement."

The report is embarrassing for the Federal Government, which this year announced a series of measures aimed at cracking down on child support compliance to recover $1 billion owed to children.

In June the Government announced private investigators would use video and photographic evidence to identify parents considered the "worst offenders" in deception.

Other measures include intercepting tax refunds to recover child support debts.

But the Ombudsman said the agency's focus seemed to be limited to collecting debt and correcting assessments.

It "does not seem to have a robust culture of identifying, investigating and prosecuting fraud", he said.

His recommendations include that the agency review its fraud control plan and develop procedures for staff to respond to allegations. The agency has accepted most of the recommendations.

In the case of one complaint investigated by the Ombudsman, a mother believed her ex-husband had provided the agency with fraudulently altered pay slips. The agency did not investigate the allegations and relied on the payslips to assess his child support payments.

The woman had to go to court to get the right level of child support.

Professor McMillan said in some cases when staff were told of allegations of fraud, they suggested that the person making the allegation take their own legal action or approach the police.

Human Services Minister Joe Ludwig said in a statement that the Government had no tolerance for people who dodged their child support responsibilities by misleading the agency.

He expected the agency to refer cases where there was evidence of deliberate fraud to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions.




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« Reply #65 on: Wednesday,November 12, 2008 »

From: Keith Tennent
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Website dedicated to the children and grandchildren of Vietnam Veterans


From: Ted McEvoy
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Website dedicated to the children and grandchildren of Vietnam Veterans


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« Reply #64 on: Tuesday,November 04, 2008 »

From: Keith Tennent
To: Veterans List ; ESO List
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: Family Health Study


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Family Health Study


 
Hello all,

Please forward this email onto any person (and their families) who served in the Australian Army during the 1960?s & 1970?s.

Kind regards,

David Matheson

www.covvhs.org.au

Intergenerational Health Effects of Service in the Military

(also known as Family Health Stud).

PLEA FOR YOUR INVOLVEMENT

For the Intergenerational Health Effects of Service in the Military to be a success it is imperative that you respond to the request for information or registration.

The study has commenced.

The consultative forum advising the above study met for the first time on Monday, 22nd September 2008.

The DVA has used a random sampling process to select people with military service and invited their participation.

Ten thousand soldiers have been selected by the research group to register for the study and the response rate to date is sadly quite low. Many admit to receiving the request for assistance but have been a little too idle to post back their participating replies.

Please could you remind your friends and their families whom you see, that this is very important, as it will determine how future military generations are treated by governments.

The participating numbers need to rise considerably. This study applies to veterans who served overseas during the sixties and seventies as well as those who remained in the military on the Australian mainland.

Without this latter select comparison group the results will lose their value to prove the point that a soldier?s overseas service can contribute to that soldier?s family difficulties; be they his own, his wife, or his children and grand children.

If you or your colleagues are requested to help, even though people feel uninvolved, it is vital that they do so. Much time and effort has been spent designing this study and to have it fail through lack of numbers will be a tragedy that reverberates throughout the whole country for many generations to come.

There are ten of us on the forum determined to gain a useful result for those sons and daughters of military people, but we can do it only with the support of all those soldiers requested to be part of the study.

This invitation does not mean only those with some lasting difficulties. We need everyone requested to take part in the study to return the information as per the letters; be you exceeding well or less so.

To register again if papers are lost or misplaced OR to be part of the study because you realise it is important even though not one of the ten thousand selected participants,

 Phone 1800 502 302 or visit  www.dva.gov.au/vvfs

Every one who served in the AUSTRALIAN ARMY during the sixties and seventies and served in Vietnam OR remained in Australia is invited to contribute to this study. National Service personnel are very much part of this program. Your contribution to the information collected will significantly enhance the study?s depth and outcome which I?m happy to discuss with anyone who is anxious about this matter.

Dr Roderick Bain MBBS FRCA FANZCA

RSL NSW State Vice President (Southern Country)

Member of Family Health Study Consultative Forum

Tel 02-93808774

Mob. 0417604450

email: roderickbain@gmail.com

 

The Australian Government has commenced a study into the intergenerational health effects as a result of active service in the military. The study is being done in several components.

This is a one-of opportunity to undertake a large scale scientific study to identify the conditions suffered by military families. It is not just another veterans' health study, but a study of conditions which affect the quality of life of the sons, daughters and family of military people.

To establish valid and reliable information from such a study of the wide ranging conditions requires a large number of participants. There are very few WW1, WW2 and Korean veterans? families available. Vietnam veteran era families are reducing. Subsequent war / peacekeeping conflicts each involve relatively small numbers.

Your registration to participate is vital to understanding the intergenerational health affects of military service.

There are 2 separate approaches to obtaining information:

1.        Scientific approach which involves randomly selected military

2.        self nominated approach involving anyone who registers

Geoff Parker

Member of Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc

Member of Family Health Study Consultative Forum

Tel 03 5341 3122

 

PLEASE NOTE

1.        This is a world first study. No one has ever done this type of work study before. All previous research done on these various topics does not cover the brief of this study!

2.        $13.5M has been set aside specifically for this study and a similar prospective smaller one for current serving troops.

3.        The research work will be done by tertiary University bodies that tendered for the studies and are yet to be selected. The research work will not be done in house by the DVA.

4.        I believe that none of the members of the members of the Family Health Study Consultative Forum, the people representing the military / veteran stakeholders is in complete agreement with what has occurred so far but we do believe that the way forward is to work with the various research groups and DVA to achieve the best outcome possible for the family health study.

5.        To refuse, if requested, to even participate in the Intergenerational Health Study is unworthy of any military person.  Many have been through DVA studies and have felt uncomfortable about the outcomes.  Please put those aside. This study is not just about us but the families of all future military families.

6.        All the information you need to be aware of at this stage of proceedings for registration is available at the DVA web site and phone in centre.

David Matheson

President, Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc

www.covvhs.org.au 

Tel 0408 506835

THIS STUDY HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO ANY PENSIONABLE STATUS YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO HOLD AND PERSONAL PHYSICAL INFORMATION WILL NOT BE MADE AVAILABLE TO ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
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« Reply #63 on: Thursday,August 21, 2008 »

From: Keith Tennent

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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:41 PM
Subject: SCHOLARSHIPS FOR CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



The following media release was issued on Saturday, 16 August 2008

Minister for Veterans' Affairs, the Hon Alan Griffin
Media release VA080

SCHOLARSHIPS FOR CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS
 
Vietnam veteran families have benefited from $468,000 in tertiary
education scholarships presented to 52 sons and daughters of Vietnam
veterans in 2008, the Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Alan Griffin, said
today.

Mr Griffin said the scholarships are recognition by the Australian
Government of the additional challenges children may face due to their
parents' Vietnam War service.

"The Long Tan Bursary scheme aims to help hard working students from
Vietnam veteran families through tertiary education and towards their
long-term goals," he said.

Mr Griffin said he was pleased to meet so many of the students at
official presentation ceremonies held across the country.

Mr Griffin said the students awarded the Long Tan Bursary in 2008 are
heading towards careers in areas as diverse as nuclear technology,
aviation technology, architecture, medicine, science, photography,
education and commerce.

"These students have proven their ability and determination to achieve
academically and I am pleased the Australian Government is supporting
their studies," he said.

"Each bursary of up to $9000 over three years is awarded to students,
including mature age students, who have achieved good academic results
and who have overcome personal challenges to successfully complete their
secondary education."

Mr Griffin said more than 260 children of Vietnam veterans had benefited
from the bursary scheme since it was introduced in 2000.  The scheme was
introduced in response to the findings of the Vietnam Veterans' Health
Study to provide financial support to children of Vietnam veterans with
their tertiary education.

The bursary scheme is named after the Battle of Long Tan on 18 August
1966, in which Australian soldiers of D Company 6 RAR encountered and
fought off an enemy force of up to 2500 troops in a rubber plantation
north of the village of Lon Tan.  Eighteen Australians lost their lives
in the battle.

Applications for the Long Tan Bursary scheme open on Vietnam Veterans'
Day each year, 18 August, and close on 31 October.  Application forms are available from the Australian Veterans' Children Assistance Trust on 1800 620 361.


Media inquiries: Laura Ryan 0437 863 109


Editors note: A list of bursary recipients is attached.


To receive the Minister's media releases automatically by email please
go to minister.dva.gov.au/subscribe.ht

2008 Long Tan Bursary recipients

Tasmania
* Madelaine McCausland of Longford, Bachelor of Arts, University
of Tasmania;
* Garry James of Claremont, Bachelor of Ocean Engineering,
Australian Maritime College, Launceston;
* Samuel Kruimink of Sandy Bay, Bachelor of Science, University of
Tasmania; and
* Catherine Parsons of Sandy Bay, Bachelor of Business, University
of Tasmania.

Victoria
* Hannah Jones of East Doncaster, Diploma of Community Welfare
Work, Holmesglen TAFE; 
* Amy Longhorn of Warrnambool, Bachelor of Arts, Deakin University
in Warrnambool; 
* Claire Dowling of Ballan, Bachelor of Psychological Science,
University of Ballarat;   
* Nikita Donovan of Barwonheads, Bachelor of Outdoor & Physical
Education, La Trobe University, Bendigo;
* Bess Skelton of Fitzroy, Bachelor of Fashion Design, RMIT
University; and
* Michael Haviland of Miranda NSW, Associate Degree in Technology
(Aviation), Swinburne University, Hawthorne campus.

Queensland
* Brooke McKeever of Albany Creek, Bachelor of Veterinary Science,
University of Queensland;
* Marion Angel of Burpengary, Bachelor of Nursing, Queensland
University of Technology;
* Bronwyn Lyall of Wishart, Bachelor of Creative Industries,
Queensland University of Technology;
* Krystelle Watts of Taringa, Bachelor of Photography, Griffith
University;
* Katrina Brown of Gatton, Bachelor of Applied Science, University
of Queensland;
* Rebecca Cassidy of Townsville, Bachelor of Music, Queensland
Conservatorium of Music;
* Khamla Mott of Coolum Beach, Bachelor of Applied Science,
University of Queensland;
* Arabella Haig of Allora, Bachelor of Economics and Bachelor of
Commerce, University of Queensland;
* Colleen Bell of Robertson, Bachelor of Education, Griffith
University;
* James Ridgwell of Warrnambool Victoria, Bachelor of Medicine,
Bachelor of Surgery, James Cook University;and
* Isobel Larkin of Alstonevale NSW Diploma of Dance, Queensland
Conservatoire of Ballet.

Western Australia
* Jarrod Carlson of Nollamara, Bachelor of Engineering and
Computer Science, University of Western Australia;
* Katrina House of North Beach, Bachelor of Arts, University of
Western Australia; and
* Antony Lockley of Midway Point Tasmania, Bachelor of Commerce,
Curtin University of Technology.

South Australia
* Sara Cadd of Hectorville, Bachelor of Nursing at the University
of South Australia;
* Nicole Dikkenberg of North Haven, Bachelor of Journalism and
Bachelor of Arts, International studies, at the University of South
Australia;
* Carly Dunn of Willunga, Bachelor of Education at Flinders
University.
* Rebecca Johnston of Gawler, Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of
Law, at the University of Adelaide; and
* Anna Taheny of Sefton Park, Bachelor of Education in Design and
Technology at the University of South Australia.

New South Wales and Australian Capital Territory
* Jenny Chen of Nowra, Bachelor of Commerce, University of
Canberra;
* Daniel Clements of Sawtell, Bachelor of Commerce, Newcastle
University; 
* Elle Durrant of Salamander Bay, Bachelor of Design
(Architecture), Newcastle University;   
* Brooke Milligan of Newcastle, Bachelor of Development Studies,
Newcastle University;   
* Emily Morath of Mt Keira, Bachelor of Commerce and Accounting,
University of Wollongong; 
* David Oakden of Port Macquarie, Bachelor of Nuclear Science and
Technology, Wollongong University;
* Steven Pearce of Narromine, Bachelor of Electrical Engineering,
Wollongong University;
* Aaron Shiels of Ballina, Bachelor of Games and Interactive
Entertainment, Queensland University of Technology;
* Alexander Sutton of North Rocks, Bachelor of Science, Sydney
University; 
* Ophelia Tynan of Canberra, Bachelor of Arts, Australian National
University;
* Sarah Johnston of Howlong, Bachelor of Commerce, Latrobe
University, Albury campus;
* Zoe Van Munster of Chipping Norton, Bachelor of Arts (Pathway to
Teaching Secondary), University of Western Sydney, Bankstown campus; and
* Nicole MacKay of Cobargo, Bachelor of Arts and Diploma in
Education, Wollongong University.

* Ten of the Long Tan Bursary recipients have asked to remain anonymous.
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From: Keith Tennent

To: ESO Mailing List ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

Cc: Main Veterans List ; Bob Buick

Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


From: Blue Ryan
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:54 AM
Subject: FW: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


 
TO: TPI Federation Directors

FM: Blue Ryan

Could you please pass on the following information concerning the Vietnam Veterans Family Study to your members and as many veterans and other ESOs as possible.

Cheers and thanks

Blue

 

From: David Matheson

Sent: Sunday, 6 July 2008


To: David Matheson

Subject: FW: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)

 

Hello and best wishes,

Have you registered your family with the Vietnam Veterans Family Study?

We understand that only a small number of people have registered with the Department of Veterans Affairs to date.    This means that it will not be possible to draw much in the way of conclusions regarding sons and daughters health or quality of life issues.  All information provided is confidential.

COVVHS has a database of over thirty thousand veterans? family members who have been interested in this study.  Is there a reason that you are not willing to register ?

For four years now veteran organisations have been trying to have investigated the reason for so many sons and daughters having a reduced quality of life.  The Government has now recognised that this is the case for the sons and daughters of veterans from all conflicts, giving $13.5 million for this study.

Please register your interest by:         

         Phone: 1800 502 302  or,                                         

         Web site:     http://www.dva.gov.au/health/research/fsp/vv/  or,

         Email:           healthstudy@dva.gov.au   or,

         Mail: Family Study Program,   Department of Veterans Affairs,   PO Box 21,  WODEN ACT 2606

Those who have registered by phone have indicated that the operators are very pleasant, it takes only a short time, its a  free call with minimal information taken over the phone.

Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS

www.covvhs.org.au

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To: Main Veterans List

Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: Vietnam Vets Family Study Joining Instructions


From: Rob-on Vista
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:23 PM
Subject: Vietnam Vets Family Study Joining Instructions


Hi All
FYI
Rob/Bob

DVA is seeking Vietnam veterans and their families to take part in a study into their health and well-being. The study will look at what effect veterans? service in Vietnam may have had on veterans? families.

The first focus will be on Vietnam veterans and their families, while later studies will look at the families of veterans from more recent deployments. The research includes children, partners, siblings, nieces and nephews.

A range of research techniques will be used throughout the entire study, including:

a survey which will be sent to all study participants; and
telephone interviews and small group discussions.

The study aims to identify any common risk factors for veterans and their families, as well as factors that protect families? health and well-being.

The entire study is expected to take 8 years. It will be completed by 2016.

To contact the Family Study Program:

Email healthstudy@dva.gov.au
Phone: 1800 502 302
Mail: Family Study Program
Department of Veterans? Affairs
PO Box 21
WODEN ACT 2606


More Info here : http://www.dva.gov.au/health/research/fsp/vv/index.htm
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Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:39 AM
Subject: Four Corners story about Carers


From: Sue and Gordon Waters
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Four Corners story about Carers




From: Bronwyn Fullick
Date: 9/05/2008
Subject:  Four Corners story about Carers

Please pass this onto your groups

Regards
 
Bronwyn Fullick
President
P.V.A.of Australia Qld.Branch Inc.
web site:- www.pva.org.au
In My Shoes
Reporter: Quentin McDermott

Broadcast: 12/05/2008

"Mothers are dying without the confidence that their child who may be in their 30s or 40s is going to be provided for ? and in this day and age it?s a disgrace." ? Catherine Murray, mother of profoundly disabled Jonathan, 24, on Four Corners.

"You save the state a bucketload of money ? that?s just the truth of it." - Kevin Rudd to Catherine Murray, at a public meeting last month.

They're bone-weary, stressed-out, poor and increasingly desperate - yet day and night, year in, year out, Australia's family carers keep lifting, changing, cleaning, toileting, washing, feeding, calming, cuddling and responding to a multitude of someone else's needs. They do it out of love ? and necessity.

But carers need to be cared for too. Now, as Labor prepares for its first budget reckoning next Tuesday, carers are demanding help: more funding in recognition of the "bucketload" they save governments - and a far bigger say in how it's spent.

Carers are used to heavy lifting; now they're doing it politically. Lobby groups have sprung up to speak for a movement they say is at least 2.6 million strong. They claim that if family carers all quit tomorrow, governments would have to find more than $30 billion to pay someone else to do the job. That's equivalent to the Rudd Government's promised tax cuts - and far exceeds the likely budget surplus.

They want more support? and less red tape. Family carers and their loved ones are constantly battered by what they see as blunt and mindless rules enforced by layers of federal and state bureaucracies. The mantra: "the criteria".

For years Jackie couldn't bring her young brain-damaged husband Todd home from an old people's nursing home. Funding rules meant Todd had to be able to direct the paid carers. But he couldn't because of his brain damage. So he didn't meet the criteria.

Janette struggles to pay for all the nappies her brain-damaged son Harley needs. He used to get a nappy subsidy. But that cut out when he turned 16. It's in the criteria.

One couple, at their wits' end over their uncontrollable, disabled daughter, asked to place her in long term, out of home care. But the criteria meant there were no places for children under 12. The little girl's rare illness is likely to kill her by the time she's 12. Eventually the parents made the hideously painful choice: to leave her to welfare authorities.

Such are the lives of many family carers. After Four Corners movingly explored their plight three years ago in "The Hidden Army", thousands of carers descended on Canberra to demand that politicians walk a mile in their shoes.

Now reporter Quentin McDermott asks if anything has changed for carers at home - and whether or not their new found political muscle is paying off?

"In My Shoes" ? on Four Corners 8.30 pm Monday 12 May, on ABC1.

This program will be repeated about 11.35 pm Tuesday 13 May; also on ABC2 at 8 am Tuesday.




?2008  ABC



Cheers,



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From: Keith Tennent

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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


From: David Matheson
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


 
Hello all,

The long awaited Children?s Study link on the DVA web site now available, COVVHS suggests  that you go online to the DVA link;  www.dva.gov.au/health/research/fsp/vv/   and make yourself familiar with the study requirements, etc.

Contact details are;

DVA?s Health Study Line: 1 800 502 302

Postal address:

Family Study Program

Department of Veterans? Affairs

PO Box 21

WODEN ACT 2606

Email: healthstudy@dva.gov.au 

Please pass this information onto any Vietnam veteran, their spouses and children!!

Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS

www.covvhs.org.au



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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 5:31 AM
Subject: THIS MAY HELP ADULT VETERAN CARERS OF DISABLED CHILDREN?


$100m found for disabled
Article from: HERALD SUN

Peter Jean

May 05, 2008

KEVIN RUDD has promised a $100 million Federal Budget funding boost for families with disabled adult children.

The Prime Minister yesterday said the money would be used to build up to 35 six-bed supported accommodation facilities for people with disabilities.

The money is on top of $900 million in extra disability funding promised by the previous government.

Mr Rudd said the funding would help some elderly parents arrange accommodation for their disabled children.

"This initiative will begin to help older carers of children with a disability to plan for the transition of their children to appropriate supported accommodation in the future," the PM said.

"It will also provide some peace of mind to older carers.

It's time to start turning the corner and start providing a fairer go for these most vulnerable Australians."

Mr Rudd acknowledged the funding would only help a few hundred families but described it as "a first step."

Carers Alliance national convenor Nell Brown said the money was not enough and the Government should dip further into the budget surplus left by former prime minister John Howard.

"Howard left them $17 billion and (the budget has) grown enormously and yet, they're putting in $100 million. How insulting," Ms Brown said.

Although he had managed to find some extra money for the disabled, Mr Rudd warned that next week's budget would contain some "very unpopular" decisions made necessary by the Government's war on inflation.

The Government last week hinted the unpopular decisions may include a means-test on the Baby Bonus.

Shadow Treasurer Malcolm Turnbull yesterday said there was no economic need for big spending cuts in the budget.

Mr Turnbull said the community could not afford the pain that would be inflicted by big inflation-fighting spending cuts.

He said the Government would have to reduce spending by between $5 billion and $6 billion a year to have any impact on inflation.

"I think it's too big at the moment because we are living in a very uncertain, very dangerous financial world at the moment," Mr Turnbull said.

Treasurer Wayne Swan said spending cuts were needed to take pressure off inflation and interest rates.

"If Malcolm Turnbull understood anything about the pain that rising prices and interest rates are inflicting, he'd understand the urgent need to cut reckless spending in the Budget to tackle the inflation legacy," Mr Swan said.



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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS HEALTH STUDY WEBSITE


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: COVVHS
 



The new Children?s study web site can be found here on the DVA website;
 www.dva.gov.au/health/research/fsp/vv/

I?m sure that your list would appreciate knowing, there is an email address to make contact (register) with DVA.



 

COVVHS will be putting out a general statement early next week on its list!



 

Kind regards,

 David





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Cc: Main Veterans List ; rebeccasummerton@gmail.com

Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: COVVHS


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: COVVHS


 

Hello all

You may recall that I forwarded the below email out (among others) seeking to assist Rebecca, the following link is the result of her work; http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/tv/docs/casualties_of_war.htm

 

Well done Rebecca!

Regards,

David

 


------------------------------------------------

From: Rebecca

Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 4:11 PM





Cc: JENI LEE carousel; Sarah Wishart


Subject: Veterans Doco

 

Hi David,

It was nice to speak with you just now.

As per my previous email, we are making a half hour documentary for the ABC called "Casualties of War - A Soldiers Story".

 

The film follows Leigh, an outspoken solider who went AWOL after serving with the Australian Army in East Timor, as he discovers that the hardest part of going to war is coming home.

 

We are looking for people who might be interested in being involved in the film including veterans, partners & children of veterans and spokes people from Veterans organisations.

 

It would be great if you could please forward me the contact details for the president of the Adelaide PVA as discussed.  Also, in our telephone conversation, you mentioned someone called Paul from Adelaide.  Do you think that Paul is someone who might be interested in meeting with us to talk about the project?

 

I look forward to hearing from you.

 

With many thanks,
Rebecca

 

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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:37 PM
Subject: Australian War Memorial visit 5th July 08


From: David Matheson
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: FW: Australian War Memorial visit 5th July 08


Hello Keith,

You may care to send this email out on your list,

Regards,

David Matheson

 


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From: Leanne Galayini [mailto:kidsofveterans-nsw@hotmail.com]

Sent: Friday, 18 April 2008 7:40 PM
To

Subject: Australian War Memorial visit 5th July 08
 

Hi Everyone,
 
Here is the information about our visit to the Australian War Memorial in Canberra, if you have any questions please ask.
 
I do need numbers so let me know whether or not you would like to attend by the 7th June.
 
I will drive you all crazy with reminders until then!!!
 
Take care
 
Leanne
Facilitator
KOV-NSW



Kids of Veterans NSW

 

Australian War Memorial Visit

 

5th July 2008

 

Hi Everyone,

 

The date for the weekend at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra has changed, it is now

Friday 4th- Sunday 6th July 2008.

 

You are welcome to come down on the Friday night or arrive Saturday morning. You will need to arrive before 10am though.

 

ACCOMMODATION

 

We will be staying at     Eaglehawk Holiday Park,

1246 Federal Highway,

NSW/ACT Border

SUTTON 2620

Phone 02 6241 6411

 

You are welcome to check out their website which is

http://www.eaglehawk.contact.com.au

 

There are a couple of types of accommodation available the best option if you are on a budget is to stay in a standard cabin. Cost for 2 people a night is $95.00 + $15.00 per extra adult. These sleep up to six people so if you can get together a group of six it will only cost you $26.00 per night each, pretty good value! Check out the website anyway and book early.

 

AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL

 

We will be meeting at the Australian War Memorial at 9.45 on Saturday morning and I have booked a tour for us at 10.00am. Admission and tour are free. And the AWM is open from 10am to 5pm Saturday only. After the tour you are welcome to take in the rest of the Memorial at your own leisure.

Check out the website for more info: http://www.awm.gov.au

 

Saturday night I was thinking of a BYO BBQ back at Eaglehawk around 6.00pm and I may have something special lined up for us but details of that will be finalized closer to the date.

 

Sunday if you want to leave early and beat the traffic then no problem, you may want to take in other sites around Canberra instead that?s ok too. If anyone just wants to come down for the day on Saturday we would love to see you. Or if you have an idea of something we could do on Sunday let me know.

 

Once you have made your decisions about when you will be arriving, if you will be staying and how long for then please let me know so that I can organize myself and keep tabs on the numbers especially for Eaglehawk as we will get a discount if there are enough of us. I will also need to RSVP the AWM with the number of people who will be joining us for the tour Saturday morning.

 

For this weekend partners are welcome, I won?t be taking my kids but if you want to let me know.

 

If you have any questions please contact me and I will endeavour to answer them!!!


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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: KOV - Reminder for Meeting this Wednesday


From: David Matheson
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject:KOV - Reminder for Meeting this Wednesday


Hello Keith,

You may care to send this out on your list,

Regards,

David

 


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From: Leanne Galayini kidsofveterans-nsw@hotmail.com


Sent: Monday, 7 April 2008 5:10 PM


To: Subject: KOV - Reminder for Meeting this Wednesday

 

Hello everyone,
 
Long time no speak to!!!
 
I hope that you are all well. Just a reminder that our KOV group at St Mary's will be having their bi-monthly meeting this Wednesday.
 
Topics for discussion will include but not be limited to
 
Australian War Memorial visit in June - may have to change the date
 
Bulwarra Resort Weekend away in September.
 
DRABC of a Conflict situation and ways to cope.
 
ANZAC service on 20th April, I need a representative/s to lay a wreath on our behalf.
 
ANZAC dawn service details at St Mary's RSL.
 
Open floor, any issues you want discussed, please let me know.
 
Please let me know if you can't make it.
 
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:36 AM
Subject: COVVHS Response to Discussion Paper


From: David Matheson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:27 AM
Subject: COVVHS Response to Discussion Paper


Hello all,

 

Please find below the COVVHS submission to the Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr Alan Griffin in response to his letter and discussion paper received to us on 25.2.08.

 

Thank you Minister Griffin for being proactive!

 

There is one area in our submission that is not covered satisfactorily; this is in the area of legal advice.

 

Over the years COVVHS has had numerous legally qualified veterans (or spouses or children) offering us assistance, initially our all consuming issue was getting the government to acknowledge that a ?study? was needed?

 

COVVHS would like to talk to any member of the legal profession who believes that they can contribute to the discussion; we really do need your expertise.

 

Should you have any comments please let us know!!!

 

Kind regards,

 

David Matheson 0408 506835

 

President,

 

COVVHS www.covvhs.org.au

 

 

 

Intergenerational Health Study

 

As Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr. Griffin, you are to be complemented on your enthusiastic approach to progressing the Intergenerational Health Study of veterans? sons and daughters.  The Discussion paper provides a valuable opportunity to provide input into the governance of the study.  COVVHS is very appreciative of your continued communication and collaboration.

 

Please find the following suggestions as constructive proposals for consideration.

 

1.         Skills for Consultative Forum Representation

There will be difficulties and challenges, such as obtaining the necessary veteran family numbers to guarantee a successful study outcome, establishing veteran community support, and having an effective communication process so that the veteran community feel like participants, not ?guinea pigs?.

Participation in the Consultative Forum requires a commitment from the members of the forum to not only attend meetings but to pro-actively contribute.   The role is not that of a specialist, but that of providing constructive information and input to assist in the resolution to issues or problems as a means of overcoming obstacles to the research, and providing information representing the issues of the veterans community, in particular the interests of sons and daughters of veterans.

The consultative forum will operate most effectively if its members have appropriate skills to contribute. These skills include the ability to:

?          Have a genuine interest in the health of veterans sons and daughters;

?          Communicate effectively;

?          Reason soundly and analyze information;

?          Critically appraise information;

?          Effectively defend opinions with solid arguments:

?          Write clear, well-organized argumentative prose

?          Think clearly

?          Make rational judgments.

?          Understand the principles of argument.

?          Represent the actual interests of the stakeholders, rather than their own priorities;

?          Establish and maintain a good working relationships with other members of the forum, and the ex service community, focusing on the future for sons and daughters of veterans.

 

2.         Alternative Model for Consultative Representation

It appears that the DVA is in total control of the research project(s). The DVA (and their support, the CMVH) have established the research protocol and are selecting the contractors / consultants to undertake the research without veteran community consultation... This may or may not have been the most appropriate process, but was not foreseen by the veteran community.

COVVHS proposes for your consideration, that an alternative option be considered.  That there be a single management forum representing all stakeholders including research professionals, the Minister, clients, ex-service organisations and others.

Moving from communication to engagement, the proposal relies upon the quality of relationships, the individuals have in common rather than divergent aims.

The model relies upon agreement of the Terms of Reference from the outset and utilizes the development of the quality of the relationship and looks beyond individual impartialities to include elements of trust (integrity, dependability and competence), mutuality of control and commitment to an optimal outcome.



Things to focus on include:

?          Involving the membership in order to make participation greater and more effective for all stakeholders

?          Maintaining a climate which is open to and supportive of various stakeholders? involvement (eg accepting the expertise and knowledge of professional scientists and medically trained people).

?          Clarifying the complementary role which the various stakeholders can play in the study, and in anticipation of constructive policy and intervention strategies (eg. Scientists have a professional role; Sons and daughters are familiar with and have an understanding of those being studied; Parents have social experience and knowledge of the wider client group).

?          Identifying people?s interests and expertise and utilizing them to the best benefit of the study (particularly for non scientific persons).

?          Preparing stakeholders for an increasing participation (with an emphasis on transferring skills from other / outside involvements to constructively participate in problem solving and decision-making, thus taking ownership of the findings (and develops both confidence and competence).

?          Looking for ways to communicate even more effectively and to invite non scientists to participate from a point of strength (expertise) rather than being two groups, scientists and ex-service representatives.

?          Keeping in mind the broader picture of what factors create good research and understanding of the physical and mental aspects of the work.  It may not be clear whether a policy researcher?s greater responsibility is to policymakers, or to the people who are ultimately affected.  If members purport to work on behalf of a wider community group, what accountability mechanisms ought to be in place ?  It is also important to actively pursue a range of ways to communicate with the wider stakeholders to ensure they keep abreast of emerging information.



 

There is increasing recognition both internationally and in Australia of the importance of active consumer involvement in mental health research. In 2001, the National Health & Medical Research Council (NHMRC) and the Consumers? Health Forum of Australia(CHF) released a Statement on Consumer and Community Participation in Health and Medical Research which acknowledges the benefit of and rights of consumers to participate in health research.

Suzanne Northcott, Executive Head of NHMRC?s Centre for Research Management Head of the Research described the role of the NHMRC/CHF Statement on Community Participation in Health and Medical Research in the Council?s strategic planning for the current triennium?. She noted that the NHMRC Research Committee has adopted six strategies for promoting consumer involvement. These are:

? Expanding consumer representation on NHMRC Research Committee working groups

? Commending the Statement;

? Providing information to consumers about the role of Research Committee and developing a network for information and support;

? Ensuring researchers support the rights of research participants to the results of the research and have access to their own results;

? Ensuring participation is part of good research practice;

? Monitoring implementation;

Future NHMRC grant applicants will be required to justify their research in terms of their dissemination strategies and plans for consumer involvement in the research. In addition, in the future, institutions accredited with the NHMRC will be required to comply with the NHMRC?s new consumer statement.
 

 

3.         Selecting Members to the Forum

Selection of CF members may be through methods which include:

?          Submission of an expression of interest which provides details of the proposed member?s relevant skills, abilities, expertise as explained in Item 1 above.

?          Advertising (inexpensive options)

?          Seeking expressions of interest from veteran community organizations for appropriately qualified people;

?          Selection process by Minister and a member of the veteran community.

Above all, members of the consultative forum require appropriate skills, and must be willing to put the interest of the health of veterans? sons and daughters foremost.

Rather than selecting forum representatives from each and every ex service organization, it is COVVHS?s belief that it would be preferable to have well skilled representation from individuals who are willing to communicate regularly with the stakeholder groups. Therefore selection of members of the forum would be based upon their individual skills, interest and capability.

It is important that there is effective and up to date communications with all stakeholder groups (veteran community organizations).

As Minister, and an objective person, it may be appropriate that you and one member of the veteran community select the members of the forum.  The veteran community person could be a keenly interested and knowledgeable person who is aware of the issues.



4.         Membership of the Consultative Forum

As a suggestion, the membership may comprise:

A chairperson
 
 Ministers Representative
 
Scientists and Researchers
 
 
 
A son of a Vietnam veteran
 
 
 
A daughter of a Vietnam veteran
 
 
 
A partner of a veteran, and mother of a veterans son or daughter
 
 
 
One, two or three members of the ex service community.
 
 To represent Vietnam veterans, non deployed military people, national servicemen
 
A person with scientific and research skills and experience to explain and guide the non expert members of the consultative forum on the consequences and potential outcomes of the research activities (eg the impact of sample size on the findings and outcomes).
 
 
 
A psychiatrist and/or medical practitioner.
 
 
 
A person who has children born after service in East Timor.
 
 East Timor Representative
 
A person with relevant legal experience            and qualifications
 
 
 
Independent secretariat
 
 
 

 

5.         Term of membership to the Consultative Forum.

Because this research is a world first, it may be appropriate that the membership remain flexible, and possibly appoints people on a rotational basis.

6.         Training of Consultative forum members

The consultative forum would benefit from a one or two day training course which explains the role and responsibilities of the members, and how each may optimize their input to the forum.

7.         Importance of Information sharing

This research will take years to complete, and it is in the best interest of the research if stakeholders are kept informed, and where possible involved.  The information being released from the forum relating to process and methodology should be shared amongst the veteran community, and not held captive by the DVA. Stakeholders need to understand the progress and constraints. There is a strong tendency for the DVA to restrict information citing personal information is confidential. However most information does not involve personal information. In the past there has been a practice of producing a ?special? set of minutes for the general community.

Understanding that a research study is not just doing a literature review, collecting data, asking questions and drawing some conclusions. In the end the information gathered and conclusions drawn need to be able to produce policy and establish intervention strategies.

 

8.         Terms of Reference

COVVHS would like to establish whether the level of ill health amongst the sons and daughters of Vietnam (and other) veterans is higher than the general community.  [how sick are veterans children ?}

 

Recommendations of the Feasibility Report proposed exploring intergenerational transmission, which COVVHS supports.

 

A family study is proposed rather than a study of the sons and daughters only; and is proposed to be delivered in components (tiers).

 

Tier 1 would involve substantial qualitative research investigating resilience and protective factors, family dynamics, family health service usage and experiences (on Vietnam veterans and their families.

Tier 2 would involve a survey to compare the effects of service in Vietnam on the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans with the effects of being in the military on sons and daughters of Vietnam era service personnel who did not go to Vietnam (qualitative & quantitative research).

Tier 3 would involve a survey to compare the effects of service in Vietnam on the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans with the effects of being in the military on sons and daughters of the brothers of Vietnam era service personnel who did not go to Vietnam. (qualitative & quantitative research).

Tier 4 would involve a survey to compare the effects of service in Vietnam on the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans with a community sample who have never served in the military, specifically the sons and daughters of siblings of Vietnam veterans who did not serve in the military (qualitative & quantitative research).

Tier 5 would involve a mortality study which would compare the mortality rates of sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans with mortality rates of sons and daughters of veterans who served in the military but were not sent to Vietnam and with the mortality rates of a community sample who have never served in the military, specifically the sons and daughters of siblings of Vietnam veterans who did not serve in the military. (quantitative research).

 

The former Minister for Veterans Affairs was not willing to discuss any alternative options to the order of these components.

COVVHS understands that the recruitment of a study cohort is not an insignificant task. Advancement of the individual research components depends on the progress of the primary recruitment phase, which is anticipated to commence in 2008.

It is however worth further consideration as to whether conducting the quantitative and qualitative analysis concurrently would be advantageous.  Further discussion is needed to determine how the quantitative findings may inform some of the qualitative components, and assist in for-shadowing potential policy considerations.
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From: Keith Tennent

To: ESO Mailing List ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:10 AM
Subject: Kids of Veterans - NSW Campbelltown meeting this Sunday


From: David Matheson
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:34 AM
Subject: FW: Kids of Veterans - NSW Campbelltown meeting this Sunday


Hello Keith,

Would you care to send this out through your list!

Regards,

David

 


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From: Leanne Galayini kidsofveterans-nsw@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 10:27 AM
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Subject: Kids of Veterans - NSW Campbelltown meeting this Sunday

 


Can you please forward this reminder through your networks.
 
 
Hi Everyone,
 
Just a quick reminder that our first meeting for the Campbelltown group will be this Sunday,
4pm to 5.30pm at
Dredge's cottage, 303 Queen St, Campbelltown.
 
We will be meeting every second month.
 
Thank you to those who have already sent apologies, I look forward to putting names to faces and meeting my fellow Sons and Daughters on Sunday. Any questions please call me on the below number.
 
Take care
 
Leanne Galayini
Facilitator
Kids of Veterans-NSW
0400 340 538



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« Reply #51 on: Wednesday,February 27, 2008 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Royal Aust GP Mental Health ; Royal Aust College of GPs ; AMA ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List ; ESO Mailing List

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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:19 AM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans health Study (COVVHS)


From: David Matheson
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:52 AM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans health Study (COVVHS)


 
Report from COVVHS 26th February 2008.

Greetings,

Consultation with stakeholders relating to the Intergenerational Health Study

On the 21 February, the Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr Alan Griffin released a discussion paper canvassing ideas on the consultation process being developed for the Health Study.

COVVHS is adding this discussion paper to our web site to keep all those interested up to date with the current situation.

Because of the potential for a significant number of responses it may be appropriate for individuals interested in responding to the paper to do so through their respective organizations; certainly COVVHS would be pleased to include your ideas in our response.

The paper on the formation of the consultative forum for the family study program discusses:

          Funds granted;

          DVAs role in managing the study and the research;

          History of consultation;

          Scientific Advisory Committee;

          Consultative Forum;

          Issues for consideration (type, membership, roles & responsibilities, terms of reference).

COVVHS proposes to provide a response to the Minister, by the closing date of 31st March 2008.

You will find the Ministers letter to COVVHS and the discussion paper on this link; www.covvhs.org.au

Kind regards,

David Matheson,

President, COVVHS



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« Reply #50 on: Sunday,February 03, 2008 »

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Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


 
Report from COVVHS, February 2008

I hope you all had an enjoyable and relaxing holiday season.

Requests for Expressions of Interest for the DVA intergenerational family study of veteran?s families closed on Thursday 13 December 2007.  Respondents are due to be notified by February 2008

It is now February 2008, and we hope that the DVA/CMVH is working hard evaluating the responses to obtain the supplier(s) for a world first study into the health of Veterans families.

2008 is the year of deliverance; the year when veterans will hopefully obtain some insight into health issues affecting their families.

The new Minister for Veteran?s Affairs, Mr. Alan Griffin, called his first meeting regarding the health study on the 14th December. The minister consulted major ex-service organizations with a view to investigation options for an ongoing consultative process during the research.

Discussions were held as to the makeup of the Consultative Forum, and how members of the veteran community could be included. It was agreed that those members chosen, should contribute and not be token appointees. An interesting point bought up by Professor Peach was that the members of this Consultative forum be given lessons on the role of consultative forum representatives.... An excellent idea, most felt.

Within a short space of time since the Election, Mr. Griffin has been extremely pro active with regard to all aspects of the health study and its rapid progression.

Those who attended the meetings with Alan Griffin were impressed with his approach, and look forward to the next meeting. The Minister expressed a desire to have another meeting with stakeholder groups, within the first 2/3 months of 2008.

Pro active ex service organizations see this Research as an extremely important step forward for veterans children and for the younger veteran community.

COVVHS would like to express their gratitude to the Minister for Veteran Affairs, Alan Griffin, for his continued support for the study of the health of sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans; and, the impending series of studies. These should give an in depth insight into both the physical and mental health of our families, including social issues and other issues that have a negative impact on lives in some families.

Check our website for updates and research!!

David Matheson

President, COVVHS

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« Reply #49 on: Monday,December 10, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Shadow Minister for Veterans Affairs ; Minister for Veterans Affairs

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Subject: INTERGENERATIONAL HEALTH EFFECTS OF SERVICE IN THE MILITARY




From: Matheson Family
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: COVVHS

Hello all,
Below is a statement from the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc
Kind regards,
David Matheson
President, COVVHS

http://www.covvhs.org.au/
http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/carryon/web/COVVHSindex.html
http://www.pva.org.au/


INTERGENERATIONAL HEALTH EFFECTS OF SERVICE IN THE MILITARY

Research into the health of veterans families, provides a very significant opportunity to understand and improve people's lives. Most people are aware that over past generations Australian armed forces service personnel have undertaken a committed role on behalf of their country.  What has not been understood is that in many cases there has been a very significant impact on their family?s physical & mental health, and the quality of their lives.
It is not before time that the Australian Government and community obtained a complete understanding.


While in opposition, Labor, (now the Rudd Government) agreed to follow through with research into the intergenerational health of the sons and daughters of veterans.
Some in the veteran community have said, ?just leave it to the researchers and let them do their jobs?. (no stakeholder involvement).


Regardless of which scientific organization undertakes the research, it is vital that the group established to oversee / manage / provide direction to the research, has multiple representation of stakeholders.


Effective representation is vital; not to undertake or direct the research methodologies, nor to hamper the scientific work; but to ensure the best interest of veterans sons and daughters is assured.


There will be challenges which only enthusiastic representation can provide.
This includes understanding the affect that sampling and data collection have on the potential results that may be obtained. For example, without an adequate sample size, less common health problems cannot be established.


Several ex service organizations have been giving consideration to who may provide the representation. The previous Minister, Bruce Billson would not give any indication of the make up of the representation, except to say, that it will include a suitably qualified person.

There will be difficulties and challenges, such as obtaining the necessary veteran family numbers to guarantee a successful study outcome, establishing veteran community support, and having an effective communication process so that the veteran community feel like participants, not ?guinea pigs?.

For discussion purposes stakeholder representation includes:

         Representing the actual interests of the stakeholder rather than the individual priorities;

         Having a communications strategy and mechanisms for consultation;

         Maintaining a working relationship with all parties;

         Persuading the forum that the information relating to process and methodology be shared amongst the veteran community, and not held captive by the DVA.  Stakeholders need to understand the progress and constraint.  There is a strong tendency for the DVA to restrict information citing personal information is confidential.  However most information does not involve personal information.  In the past there has been a practice of producing a ?special? set of minutes for the general community.

         Establishing and maintaining good working relationships with other members of the forum, and the ex service community, focusing on the future for sons and daughters of veterans.

         Being aware that researchers, scientific experts, and stakeholders all have individual expertise which may assist with the process and final outcome.

         Realizing that a research study is not just doing a literature review, collecting data, asking questions and drawing some conclusions. Each of these components has degrees of focus and completeness.  The ability to produce policy and establish intervention strategies is also an important consideration.

         Have sound reasoning and analysis skills:

o         critically appraise complex reasoning

o         effectively defend opinions with solid arguments

o         write clear, well-organized argumentative prose

o         think clearly

o         make rational judgments.

o         understand the principles of argument


$13.5M was committed to this research into the Intergenerational health effects of service in the military.


Professor Hedley Peach has supported the importance of undertaking this study and has advised government, advised the veteran community, and generally provided a very significant amount of his personal time to pursuing family research into the health of veteran?s sons and daughters; he has written and published papers on the matter.


Dr Roderick Bain, as a member of the veteran community, indicated that he also believes it is imperative that we have participatory representation in the consultation process and the research study, from its inception to conclusion.  This would include involvement and representation on any steering committee, reference group, or advisory committee.


The proposed scope of the study has been widened to include East Timor personnel and to also include a prospective study into troops who are yet to see service abroad.


The Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr. Alan Griffin, is very enthusiastic to introduce the Governments policy and has said that he will be working with the veteran community to ensure stakeholders are actively involved with the health study.
COVVHS is very appreciative of Minister Griffins continued collaboration.


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« Reply #48 on: Monday,September 17, 2007 »

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Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


From: Matheson Family
To: David Matheson (Bendigo)
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:19 PM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)




Stakeholder Involvement In The Intergenerational Health Of Veterans Sons And Daughters.

 

It is now more than a month since the announcement of the Intergenerational health study of veteran?s sons and daughters.

 

Stakeholder involvement is imperative for veteran?s sons and daughters to have confidence in the research approach and the potential findings. 

 

Are the Minister and the Department truly undertaking a study to establish the health problems of our sons and daughters?

 

If so, why is he not involving the veteran community as key stakeholders in the research from an early stage?  Why is it that the Minister and the Department are not willing to trust the veteran community to be involved?

 

Despite many requests for information, nothing is forthcoming from the Minister or the Department. The Minister appears to either be disinterested or have his hands tied.

 

There will be an election called soon. At that stage the Government goes into ?caretaker? mode, i.e. no decisions are made. The Minister has advised that because there is bipartisan support for the study the DVA will be able to continue working on the health study administration. Our concern is that the Department will continue the process to a stage which is irreversible, without any veteran community involvement. If you are happy for the DVA to organise this health study on our children with out veterans community input, OK.

 

However, if you believe the veterans community including the sons and daughter?s must be involved in contributing to this study from the beginning, would you please contact the Ministers office expressing these views, by Fax, letter or email, ASAP.

Fax Number : (02) 6273 4140, (03) 9783 7912

Address : PO Box 6022, House of Representatives, Parliament House, Canberra ACT 2600

Email address: B.Billson.MP@aph.gov.au

 

It would be most useful if you also sent copies to the Prime Minister, Alan Griffin and Kevin Rudd, so they are all aware of the HUGE support we have for this very important project.

 

To date, the veteran community have been disallowed from any input to the development of the Intergenerational study of veterans sons an daughters, and the Minister has indicated that the tender documents are being prepared for imminent release, it appears that the opportunity for stakeholder input into the information to be researched is becoming very limited.



Please feel free to forward this email onto others in the veterans community



Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS Inc


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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:31 AM

Subject: RSL LAYS OUT WHAT IT SEES AS ISSUES AFFETCING VETERANS


From: Matheson Family

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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject:RSL LAYS OUT WHAT IT SEES AS ISSUES AFFETCING VETERANS


Hello Keith,

I would have thought that the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study would be a "key policy' issue!

David Matheson
President, COVVHS

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Returned & Services League of Australia

 

 

 

 

Federal Election 2007

 

Issues Affecting Australia?s Veterans

 





 

 

R1-1-91/BC:jo

September 2007

 

 

NP: 233/07

 

To:       Leaders of Federal Parliamentary Parties

            Minister and Shadow Minister for Veterans? Affairs

           

 

The Returned and Services League of Australia

Federal Election 2007

Issues Affecting Australia?s Veterans

 

You will be aware that a number of key Ex-Service Organisations have made a submission to the Federal Parliamentary Parties in the lead up to the next Federal Election.  The RSL was a participant in the compilation of that submission.

 

As the oldest, largest, and most representative Ex-Service Organisation, our members expect that we would also make our own stand-alone submission reflecting our considered view of the issues, highlighting particularly what we would regard as the next steps in enhancing the quality of our repatriation and defence service arrangements.

 

This document contains four sections:

 

?         Section 1  provides the historical context of the League?s ongoing efforts to ensure that veterans are appropriately cared for.  This section is almost identical to Section 1 of our more recent Budget Submissions.

 

?         Section 2  addresses underlying principles and broad policy issues, derived largely from the RSL?s Standing Policy on Veterans? Affairs Matters.  Political party responses are sought to the propositions at the conclusion of this section.

 

?         Section 3  lists, broadly in priority order, a range of key proposals addressing present anomalies, inequities, and enhancements to our veterans? affairs support provisions.  Most of these have budgetary implications.  Responses are sought to each of these specific proposals.

 

?         Section 4  lists a number of other veteran concerns which we would wish to have recorded.  These will be the subject of ongoing representation.

 

The RSL remains apolitical.  We do not engage in political campaigning other than to notify our views as to what is important for Australia?s veterans.  We will work with all parties of the Parliament, and would wish to maintain a constructive and productive dialogue with the government of the day.

 

We invite your careful consideration of the issues at Sections 2, 3 and 4 of the enclosed, and your public responses.

 

 

 

 

 

Bill Crews

National President



Section 1

 

Returned & Services League of Australia

 

Background

 

During the early years of WW I, there was no single Government body formed to cater for the needs of the sick and wounded returning from the horrors of trench and desert warfare in Europe and the Middle East. While the Department of Repatriation was created in 1918, it was not until October 1976 that the Department of Veterans? Affairs was established.

 

Returning servicemen were alarmed at the lack of support available and began meeting in the various states of Australia to call for urgent action to rectify the situation.  Shortly thereafter, in 1916, the Returned Sailors and Soldiers Imperial League of Australia was established and adopted a set of ideals and objectives that focused essentially on mateship, preservation of the memory and records of those who suffered and died; and to provide for the sick, the wounded, and the needy.

 

By 1918 all states had joined the League, with the ACT Branch formed in 1927.  Name changes followed in later years to recognise the inclusion of airmen in 1940 and finally, in 1990, the name was changed to Returned & Services League of Australia (RSL) with membership open to all serving and ex-service personnel, irrespective of operational service.

 

The RSL has always maintained a broad-based membership, containing representatives from all walks of Australian life.  Another facet of RSL membership has been the staunch support for the system of ?grass roots? input into policy.  The early days of the RSL were taken up with seeking improved employment opportunities and improved repatriation and welfare entitlements for returning and returned servicemen.  The emphasis today continues to be centred on improved entitlements and conditions for the retired and serving men and women of the Australian Defence Force.  Like our predecessors, the work of the League continues through peace and war.

 

In the words of Professor Ernest Scott, a well known Australian academic and author, ?The League is foremost in taking up these cases?. The League is considered by many to be the pre-eminent ex-service body with a firm focus on veteran welfare?.

 

Veterans? Welfare

 

The RSL has developed, over 91 years, a well established process for ensuring that it concentrates on veteran welfare matters of concern that have been identified and supported by the majority of the membership.

 

Any RSL member from around the country may raise issues of concern in relation to veteran affairs matters.  These matters are then discussed at the local Sub-Branch level where a consensus may be reached and a proposition, or motion, with an appropriate rationale is formulated and debated.

 

These motions form the basis for the development of an agenda of Veteran Affairs issues that is then considered at the State Congress of Sub-Branches.  Those that are ?carried? are then placed on the agenda of the National Congress of State Branches.  At National Congress, each motion is considered in turn and only those that receive a majority vote by the attending delegates are carried forward by the League.  These decisions are not made lightly. 

 

From this exhaustive process the RSL Veterans? Affairs policy is formulated and endorsed, and Budget submissions are developed.

 

Between National Congress meetings, veterans? issues of the League are dealt with by the National Veterans? Affairs Committee which meets on a quarterly basis.  Membership of this body consists of an independent chairman, the National Veterans? Affairs Advisor, the National President, the RSL State Presidents and their advisors.   Many matters affecting individual veterans are also dealt with routinely during the year by effective liaison between RSL State Branches and Department of Veterans? Affairs officers at the State or National level.

 

The RSL and the Community

 

Since our inception in 1916, the RSL has maintained a strong focus on the commemoration of those who have died or suffered in the service of our nation, and in inculcating in our community an understanding of the contribution to the development of our nation by those who have served in the Defence Forces.  More broadly, we seek to encourage in young Australians, a sense of pride in our nation and an appreciation of the responsibilities of citizenship.

 

Through these related endeavours, we better inform the wider community of the substantial sacrifices made to secure our freedom, and why those who have offered their services to this cause should be afforded special consideration.  In turn, this awareness underpins community acceptance of the special place, needs, and entitlements of veterans.



Section 2

 

Veterans? Affairs Principles and Broad Policy Issues

 

More than three million Australians are members of the Defence Community.  They include past service persons (veterans), those currently serving, and their families.

 

Those who serve our Nation in the Defence Force, whether as volunteers or through conscription, undertake the onerous task of ensuring the Nation?s security and the preservation of our way of life.  There is a real prospect of being placed in harm?s way and of being killed or seriously wounded in the course of this service.  Training for combat brings its own hazards as recent circumstances graphically demonstrate.

 

Australia?s Service and Ex-servicemen and women deserve special consideration because of the nature of their commitment.  Australia?s Government, in calling for men and women to serve and in placing them in harm?s way, carry a special obligation to support those who are damaged in the course of meeting the requests of the Government.  The willingness of men and women to serve in our Defence Force will be profoundly affected by how those people see the Government respond to the needs of those who suffer the consequences of their service.  And there is a reasonable expectation that the conditions under which they enlist and serve will be honoured.

 

The Government?s obligations are comprehensive and specific:

 

?         To ensure our servicemen and women are properly trained and equipped to fulfil the demands placed upon them.

?         To adequately assess and minimise the risk of environmental, physical and psychological damage to our servicemen and women in training and on operations.

?         To provide comprehensive health care support, both during service and on completion of service, for all conditions arising as a direct consequence of that service.

?         To take all necessary steps to restore full function and quality of life, through rehabilitation and other programs, for those wounded or damaged in the course of their service.

?         To provide compensation for long term pain and suffering, and permanent disability incurred as a consequence of service, and particularly to provide meaningful income support to those so damaged by their service that they are no longer able to engage in remunerative employment.

?         To ensure that any such payments made in the form of compensation retain their value over time.

?         To ensure that compensation payments are not taxed and are not included in any calculations for means testing purposes.

?         To ensure that superannuation provisions appropriately reflect he unique nature of military service, particularly retiring ages below community norms.

?         In recognition of the unique nature of military service, to ensure that the range of benefits available to servicemen and women are more generous than those available to the general community.

 

Warlike service incurs greater potential risk than non-warlike service.  Consequently, those who have undertaken warlike service deserve additional considerations:

 

?         Eligibility for the Service Pension.

?         To have the determination of causation of disabilities based on the reasonable hypothesis degree of proof.

?         The provision of a Gold Health (or Access) Card at age 70 years.

 

Non-warlike service should attract the ?balance of probabilities? degree of proof.

 

Families of servicemen and women carry burdens which apply to few in the wider community.  Apart from the prolonged absences and anxiety arising from operational deployment, and the ever-present prospect of harm to their parents and partners, families must accept the consequences arising from that service.  These consequences include dramatically changed behaviour, and physical and mental impairment.  It is the family which is most directly affected when a veteran returns from active service.  In many cases of significant disability, the partner is forced to give up paid employment to assume the role of carer.

 

While our repatriation arrangements have generally focussed on supporting veterans damaged in the course of their service, we should turn now also to the additional support requirements of the veterans? family, including any generational health impacts.

 

Repatriation and Service compensation provisions reflect the unique demands of the Service environment.  Consequently, they should not be seen as ?welfare? in the accepted community sense.  There is move to do so in some areas of government which we would strongly urge be resisted.  The greater the degree of harm or danger in which servicemen and women are placed, the more beneficial and unique should be the compensation provisions for those who are physically or psychologically damaged.

 

The community presently accepts the special position of veterans who have directly contributed to the nation?s security.  There is a willingness to meet the additional costs of veteran benefits because of this special provision.  It is essential therefore that credibility of the repatriation and service support regime be retained through consistency in its development and application, and equity in its delivery.

 

Proposition

 

The RSL asks political parties of the Federal Parliament to state whether they agree in whole or in part with the principles and propositions set out above:  if agreement is not comprehensive, then in what respect is there disagreement or reservation?

 



Section 3

 

Specific Proposals to Enhance Support to the Veteran Community

 

Set out below are a number of proposals drawn from resolutions of the League.  They are in priority order.  We consider that a positive response to these matters would resolve the significant concerns remaining in the veteran community.

 

Parliamentary Party responses are sought to each proposal.

 

1.         Indexation

 

There remains significant concern at the different indices used for adjustments to compensation and disability payments, and military pensions.  While the Consumer Price Index (CPI) is commonly used, it no longer has credibility as a true measure of the cost of living.  Senate Enquiries have reinforced this position, and those whose compensation payments are indexed solely by this method have seen a progressive loss in value of their payments relative to that which existed when the payment was first made.

 

Male Total Average Weekly Earnings (MTAWE) is now seen as a more accurate measure of both community wage movements and the real cost of living.  An alternative index may be Average Weekly Ordinary Time Earnings (AWOTE).

 

It is relevant that the Aged and Service Pensions, while indexed by CPI, have a safety net provision that they will not fall below 25% of MTAWE.  It follows that if MTAWE has been seen as a more appropriate and relevant index to sustain the value of these payments, then MTAWE should be used for all other service disability and income support payments.  The use of a standard index such as MTAWE would achieve equity across the range of disability and pension payments, and with pension schemes in the wider community.

 

Application of this principle would directly affect the following Defence Service related payments :

 

General Rate Disability Payments : with flow on to the Extreme Disablement Adjustment, presently set at 150% of the maximum rate of Disability Payment.
The Intermediate Rate Pension and Special Rate Pension: covered in more detail at Item 2 below.
Military Superannuation under the DFRDB and MSBS schemes: covered further at Item 5 below.
 

2.         The Special Rate Pension

 

Full endorsement of the proposal at Item 1 would represent a satisfactory response to the indexation concerns of Special Rate Pensioners, recognising particularly that those who are Totally and Permanently Incapacitated have lost their ability to engage in remunerative employment through defence-caused disabilities.

 

Should the proposal at Item 1 not be accepted in respect of the Special Rate Pension, then we propose benchmarking this payment at 47% of MTAWE, the relative position it held in 1997 when changes were made to the indexation of the aged pension.  Such an approach would remove the need for any further one-off ?catch-up? payments.

 

Further, we remain concerned that those who are placed on the Special Rate Pension at a young age will experience difficulties greater than other TPI.  Younger TPI have not had the opportunity to establish a capital base in terms of home equity or superannuation assets, they are likely to have young children, and their partners may be limited in their ability to earn an income through the need to provide ongoing care.  Accordingly, a range of measures are proposed to assist younger TPI veterans :



An increase in allowances for non-working dependants up to the age of 21.
Provision of private health insurance coverage for the family
Access to any preserved superannuation assets
Revised carer payments and allowances to better reflect their special contribution to the on-going welfare of the veteran or ex-serviceman or woman.
 

3.         Transition Management

 

The RSL particularly endorses the proposal contained in the Combined ESO submission on this item.  Experience clearly demonstrates that separation from the Service is a critical step likely to have serious impacts on physical and psychological well-being if not properly managed.  Accordingly, deficiencies in the following processes should now be rectified, and the RSL stands willing to engage directly with the ADF and DVA in assisting this process; particularly through the recently launched Integrated People Support Strategy:

 

Appropriate invalidity and other financial entitlements are in place to ensure discharging personnel can access these without delay.
Any adverse medical conditions arising from service have been identified and adequately recorded in ADF service documents.
Appropriate treatment and rehabilitation programs have been instituted and will continue without interruption.
Servicemen and women are offered comprehensive relevant financial advice, vocational support, and family assistance to ensure a smooth transition from the Service.
Servicemen and women are provided with comprehensive advice on how they may access medical and other support services post separation when the need arises;
Provision of timely follow-up by the Services to ensure that any residual issues are quickly resolved.
 

4.         Accommodation Assistance for Younger Veterans with Mental Health Related Special Needs

 

During 2004/2006, RSL Care (Queensland) sponsored a veterans? mental health project  ?to provide a rehabilitation continuum for veterans experiencing the effects of mental illness, involving effective treatment in their local communities?.  The project sought a case management approach.

 

Recommendation 5 sought DVA support, including funding, for appropriate community accommodation

models to meet the needs of veterans with mental health issues.

 

While general funding has been provided to the States in response to this recommendation, access to such

accommodation remains beyond the means of most veterans who must concurrently maintain a family in

separate accommodation, particularly if their income includes only disability or Special Rate compensation

payments.

 

While it is expected that few such cases would arise, when they do, they represent a crisis for the veteran

who can no longer live at home with his family.

 

We seek a capacity for the Department to effectively manage such cases through special accommodation

subsidy provisions.

 

5.         Military Superannuation

 

A full and positive response to Item 1, indexation of military superannuation using MTAWE, would

overcome one of the significant concerns raised by the Ex-Service community with the Military Superannuation Review Team.

 

Military superannuants see their pension payments progressively losing value relative to present salary levels, and public pensions such as the aged and service pensions.  Concern is exacerbated by the introduction of simpler superannuation arrangements for accumulation schemes.  While acknowledging the 10% rebate which will substantially reduce tax payable, the inclusion of the pension paid as taxable income, in the knowledge that all accumulation scheme payments need no longer be even declared, has caused considerable concerns on the basis of equity.

 

In its submission to the Military Superannuation Review, the RSL put forward a number of proposals including the following.  They are now presented to seek Parliamentary Party acceptance, notwithstanding that the outcome of the Military Superannuation Review is not yet known :

 

Military Pensions and Preserved Benefits should be indexed to MTAWE.
The current ?Life Tables? used in the calculation of DFRB & DFRDB pension and associated commutation calculations should be replaced by the most recent life tables available.
A complete review of all current DFRB & DFRDB pensions, including reversionary benefits, should be completed using these contemporary life tables and revised pensions should be applied prospectively from an appropriate date.
In the context of the Government?s Simplified Superannuation legislation, amendment to taxation legislation to enable all invalidity pension payments for recipients medically discharged from the ADF, as a result of disabilities caused or aggravated by military service and in receipt of a Class A incapacity assessment by ComSuper, and any associated reversionary benefits to dependents to be:
-    tax exempt from the recipient?s date of medical discharge in prospective cases; or

-    tax exempt from date of effect of new provisions for current recipients.

?           Compulsory Retirement Ages and Preservation Ages for ADF members be aligned to avoid disadvantage.

?           Simpler Super tax treatments should be correlated with both military career patterns and

       associated military retirement schemes and reversionary benefits.

?           Include the full period of a member?s service when calculating pension entitlements, instead of just the number of completed years.

?           Calculate the DFRDB pensions using the same formula as for DFRB, MSBS, CSS and PSS schemes.

?           Reduce the qualifying period for eligibility for reversionary spouse pensions to three years.

 

6.         Ageing with Dignity and Choice

 

The RSL is committed to ensuring that veterans, their families and carers are supported to age with dignity, control and independence and are able to contribute to the community and enjoy the full benefits of citizenship.

 

Because of the high numbers of World War II veterans:

The veteran population is ageing faster than the general population.
Currently, 46% of Australian men over 80 years are DVA entitled veterans.
The number of older veterans and war widows with dementia is also increasing.
The male/female ratio is changing as the number of widows increases.
The number of veterans and war widows living alone is increasing.
 

Of the DVA treatment population, currently more than 300,000 veterans and war widows are over 85 years of age.  However, similar to the Aged Care Act 1997 criteria for ?special needs status?, the RSL mission extends to serving a much larger ex-service community including:

Non-entitled former members of the Australian Defence Force (ADF),
Widows whose husbands did not die from war related injuries, and
Veterans of allied forces without reciprocal arrangements.
 

Like other older Australians, growing numbers of ageing veterans and war widows are choosing to remain in their own homes or other independent living situations and avoid, or at least delay, admission to residential care.  To achieve this they need the support of a comprehensive and easily accessible network of flexible and affordable community services.  However, feedback across the veteran community highlights significant gaps in existing services.  Issues include:

The need for a higher ratio of community services packages. 
Despite the increase in the number or Commonwealth funded Community Aged Care Packages (CACPs) in February 2007, the ratio remains inadequate.  Statistics show that approximately 10% of persons over 70 years of age live in residential aged care.  This means that only around 20% of the Commonwealth Government aged care program is available to the other 80-90% who wish to remain in the community.

The need for higher subsidies for CACPs.
The care and services purchasing power of CACPs has decreased over the last 10 years and as care needs become more complex, current subsidy levels are inadequate and frequently necessitate making choices between what care and services can be afforded.

The need to remove ?barriers? to veterans and war widows accessing non-DVA aged care services when they need them.
These include:

-    Co-payments  ?  there is an increased cost to the veteran/war widow when he/she leaves DVA Veterans Home Care (VHC) and moves to CACP.

-    Culture of the veteran community  -  some veterans consider that only DVA operated services are able to understand their special needs and provide quality care, or they prefer to stay with DVA as they know how ?the system works?.

-    VHC can appear to be a better ?deal?.  When moving to a CACP, some services that are subsidised for HACC and VHC clients must be fully paid for from the CACPs? budget, e.g. meals on wheels, planned activity groups.  When the cost for much needed higher levels of care such as case management are deducted from the CACPs? budget, the balance may not cover these original services.

-    Aged Care Assessment Services (ACAS)  -  there are major differences in the operating procedures of ACAS teams.  In some parts of Australia veterans and war widows have to wait between three and six months for eligibility assessments for CACPs.

 



Section 4

 

Other Proposals Requiring Attention

 

Listed below are other issues which the veteran community would wish to progress during the term of the next government.  They are not in priority order.

 

Pharmaceuticals.     While the Repatriation Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme offers some advantages over the PBS, there is growing concern at the escalating levels of co-payment, particularly in respect of pharmaceuticals required for specific defence-caused conditions.  The Pharmaceutical Allowance rarely compensates fully for the co-payment.  We would seek the provision of pharmaceuticals for defence-caused conditions at no cost, and adjustment of the Pharmaceutical Allowance so that it continues to compensate for the bulk of the co-payment for other items.

 

Younger War Widows.     Currently, war widows under the age of 58 without dependants are generally not entitled to the Income Support Supplement; it being assumed that they are able to re-join the workforce.  This is seen as discriminatory and needs to be corrected.

 

Carers.     Veteran wellbeing is directly related to the level and quality of family support available.  Partners and carers play a key role in holding families together and looking after their spouses who have been physically or mentally disabled.  In this role, they are often denied the opportunity to engage in remunerative employment.  We seek a review of carer payments, allowances and provisions, to accurately reflect their needs and significant contribution.

 

Integrated Service Delivery.     Presently some veterans are required to deal with multiple agencies in assessing their entitlements.  These may include Defence, DVA, Comsuper, Centrelink, and others.  Each organisation has its own regulations and guidelines, placing veterans in the invidious position of potentially requiring multiple medical assessments and leading to inconsistent outcomes in respect of entitlement or employability.  This causes considerable stress at a most vulnerable time.  We seek an integration of these procedures to achieve a more effective, efficient, and consistent set of outcomes.

 




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From: Matheson Family
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans health Study (COVVHS)


Hello all,


COVVHS welcomes the recent release by the Minister for Veterans Affairs Mr Bruce Billson of ?The Intergenerational Health Effects of Service in the Military? Research Protocol. However, unlike previous studies conducted by DVA, it does not allow for input by the veteran community and this is not acceptable.

 

The veteran community must have input into a study that affects them! Members of the veteran community, including partners and children, must be consulted from the beginning, before the Tender is released.

 

COVVHS believe that a management or steering committee should comprise members of the Ex Service Organisation?s concerned, including the PVA and COVVHS and especially, a son, and a daughter of a Vietnam veteran.

 

A veteran, a mother, and a son or daughter of a Vietnam veteran must also have direct representation as a layperson's on the Scientific Advisory Committee. There are specific requirements and aspects of this study that are unique to our community. It is imperative that we get the chance to voice those thoughts during development of the tender documents.

 

I have written to all constituent ESO National Presidents in regards to this important ?World first? study and I will make their responses known to you so that you are kept informed!

 

To those members of an ESO Sub-branch; your State and National body is there for you..... Let them know that you want them to submit your concerns (a Remit to State) that this health study must have Veteran community involvement in the form of participation on a management/steering committee for the health study.?

 

If your sub-branch values you as a member they will act. If you don?t contribute to the furthering of this health study who will.... your great grand children?

 

Minister Billson set a precedent by releasing his letter to COVVHS via the internet attacking a mother. I therefore have attached our letter to him with our requirements.

 

We will countenance nothing less than veterans community representation on this 'study'.... total transparency!

 

The Minister may try and confound our efforts by having the tenders cut and dried before the next election; I believe that would be a sad end to a Ministry.

 

We must not allow the bureaucrats to drive this study. Vietnam veterans are the last large force to be deployed, thus providing an adequate sample number of veterans upon which to do an in depth family study. If we fail to achieve, as the Minister stated... ?A world class health study? what happens to the veterans and their families that come after us?



Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS


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An update

Hello all,
The Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr Bruce Billson announced recently that;

 ?The Howard Government will undertake world-first research into the impact of war service on the health and welfare of the children of Vietnam veterans?.

Announcing a $13.5 million research program, Minister for Veterans? Affairs, Bruce Billson, said the ?Vietnam Veteran Family Study provides an innovative, integrated and holistic approach to the health of veterans? families?.

COVVHS would like to thank you, veterans and families, for the many thousands of congratulatory emails. They were very much appreciated.

The study is a great move forward for the veteran?s community; however this is only the next step in a long process.

 

COVVHS would like to give a huge thanks to Professor Hedley Peach, who has given so much of his valuable time, freely.

 

Professor Peach has provided expertise to both the veteran community and the Government. His unbiased contribution has provided a much needed perspective and understanding of the issues that were involved. This from a person with an international reputation in the field of Public Health and Epidemiology has been incredibly helpful not only to COVVHS but other ESO groups.

 

COVVHS have some questions regarding the Protocol, but feel that the time to address those questions is at the Consultative forum level as each tier of research is being prepared by the Institute that wins the tender.

 

We must take the Minister on ?face value?. At the DVA organised telelink, he stated that this study would be ?world class?. Having given 13.5 million dollars towards such a health study, we must have trust that this will be so.

 

We feel it is most important that the veteran community remain united to get this health study 'off and running' ASAP.

 

However there is one aspect that has not been addressed yet. That is the ongoing involvement of ?the stakeholders? ie the veterans, their partners and the sons and daughters.

 

The conduct of the Vietnam Veteran Family Study (The Intergenerational Health Effects of Service in the Military, July 2007) should have veteran community involvement. It is important that Minister Billson now shows faith in us and appoints representative members to a Consultative Forum.

 

The CMVH says inter alia (see Research Protocol document; http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat/2007/ihesm/index.htm ) that it doesn?t know how to contact Vietnam veterans or their families; ......the CMVH knows that the COVVHS offer to email the nearly 30,000 email addresses that have registered on the COVVHS web site still stands.

 

COVVHS will write to remind Minister Billson of the veteran community requirements of a Consultative Forum.


Kind regards,
David Matheson
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Subject: VIETNAM VETERANS FEDERATION HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT VV CHILDRENS HEALTH STUDY


From: Tim McCombe
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Sons and Daughters Health Study



 
 

VIETNAM VETERANS? FEDERATION

8 Mary Street Granville   PO Box 170 GRANVILLE NSW 2142,

 

Phone (02) 9682 1788            Fax (02) 9682 6134

 

21 August 2007

 

Minister Announces Study into the Health of the Sons and Daughters of Vietnam Veterans

The Vietnam veteran community had, for many years, campaigned for the children of Vietnam veterans to be seen as potential second generation casualties of the Vietnam war. For a long time neither the government nor the department showed any interest at all; rather their attitude was at best indifferent and sometimes hostile.

But government studies in the 1990s aimed at identifying the extent of veterans? ill-health, revealed alarming rates of suicide amongst Vietnam veterans? children as well elevated rates of Spina Bifida, Cleft Palate and Cleft Lip.

Many in the Vietnam veteran community believed that this was just the tip of the ice-burg so the campaign continued with requests for a comprehensive study into the health of Vietnam veterans? sons and daughters.

The campaign seemed to be getting nowhere until Vietnam veteran Geoff Parker and his wife Sue entered the fight. Motivated by the plight of their own children as well as that of the children of many of their friends and colleagues, they simply would not take ?no? for an answer. Their dedication to the cause and their persistence led to the then Minister for Veterans Affairs, Hon Dana Vale MP, in August 2004, promising to set  up a scientific committee to see if a study into the health of sons and daughters was feasible.

The committee reported in November 2005 that such a study was feasible. But in a controversial decision, because it would cause an eighteen month delay in starting any study, the Minister sent the report to Queensland University for further work.

In August 2007 the Minister for Veterans Affairs, Hon Bruce Billson MP, announced the study would commence. The Minister said:

 ?This wide ranging study  will ? provide us with an insight into the health of children of Vietnam veterans, informing the delivery of services that will assist the families of future service personnel.

?The Vietnam Veteran Family Study will be undertaken in a tiered approach, involving qualitative and quantitative research over an eight year period, with some initial results available as early as 2009.?

            This is a most welcome and appreciated announcement.

            Also welcome and appreciated is the commitment to the study by the Shadow Minister for Veterans Affairs, Hon Alan Griffin MP. This means that whoever wins the end-of-year Federal election, the study will go ahead.

 

Whilst wholeheartedly welcoming the commencement of the study and being grateful to the government for initiating it, we have some concerns.     

?        We note that there is little or no ?hands-on? medical involvement, rather surveys involving self-reporting or interview. There also seems to be a bias in the study towards the social rather than the medical.

?        We note there are no Vietnam veteran representatives on the Scientific Advisory Board. We think it essential that two Vietnam veterans representatives be included.

?        There is no mention of restoring the Consultative Forum associated with the Feasibility Study. We would hope that a Consultative Forum with representatives from the major ex-service organisation might receive regular briefings on the study?s progress as well as have their views influence the study?s direction.

 

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« Reply #43 on: Thursday,August 16, 2007 »

From: Ted McEvoy
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Media Release VA124 - WORLD-FIRST STUDY TO EXAMINE HEALTH OF CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


 
 Minister for Veterans? Affairs Mailing List.
VA124   Thursday 16 August 2007

WORLD-FIRST STUDY TO EXAMINE HEALTH OF CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS

The Howard Government will undertake world-first research into the impact of war service on the health and welfare of the children of Vietnam veterans.

Announcing a $13.5 million research program, Minister for Veterans? Affairs, Bruce Billson, said the Vietnam Veteran Family Study provides an innovative, integrated and holistic approach to the health of veterans? families.

?Australia is at the forefront of veteran health and compensation, but we have limited knowledge about the intergenerational effects of war service.  A study of this kind has never been done and Australia will lead the rest of the world in this field,? Mr Billson said.

?The Vietnam Veteran Family Study will study the health and welfare of around 200,000 parents and children participants to identify protective factors and those characteristics which help build resilience in families of veterans.

?This wide ranging study will also provide us with an insight into the health of children of Vietnam veterans, informing the delivery of services that will assist the families of future service personnel.

?The Vietnam Veteran Family Study will be undertaken in a tiered approach, involving qualitative and quantitative research over an eight year period, with some initial results available as early as 2009.?

Mr Billson said that yet again Vietnam veterans were the catalyst for innovation in veteran health.

?The now well-established legacy of Vietnam veterans is continuing through this extensive study program which will further enhance our world-class repatriation system,? Mr Billson said.

?Today the Australian Defence Force has an active Defence Community Organisation which provides a range of support programs for families, before, during and after deployment.  To support this work, the Department of Veterans? Affairs will also commence a study to monitor the health of families of more recently deployed veterans.

?The research program will provide useful information to inform government of the effectiveness of current programs and areas for further policy development.?

The Australian Government currently provides around $10 million a year for a range of services to children of Vietnam veterans, including mental health support through VVCS, medical support through the Vietnam Veterans Children?s Support Program and educational support through the Veterans? Children Education Scheme and the Long Tan Bursary.

Media inquiries: Cameron Hill  0408 239 521

Editors note: Fact Sheet follows.

Fact Sheet

Vietnam Veteran Family Study

What will the study examine?

This study will examine the physical, mental and social health of the families of Vietnam veterans. It will involve both qualitative and quantitative research techniques to identify protective and risk factors. It will provide a comprehensive picture of the health status of this group. The study will also examine suicide rates amongst children of Vietnam veterans.

How many people will be studied?

The study will survey up to 200,000 people, including Vietnam veterans, their families and relevant comparison groups to enable adjustment for both genetics and war service.

How will the study be implemented?

The study will use a tiered approach to enable individual study components to be completed at different stages.  The first qualitative component of the study will be able to commence in the near future with results expected during 2009.

The first step prior to any additional data collection for the health study will be to compile a study roll and contact details of the participants. This process will be commencing shortly and will enable additional study components to commence during 2010.

The tiered approach enables research to be conducted in manageable and achievable stages and results will be progressively available for dissemination.

How long till results are available?

The first results will be available during 2009 with results on other elements of study to be completed by 2016.

Who will undertake the study?

The Department will contract appropriately qualified and experienced research organisations to undertake the qualitative and quantitative studies.

Will all Vietnam veterans and their families be studied and will the Department register individuals for participation in the study?

No.  In line with sound scientific research approaches, the Department will develop a study roll from a randomised sample of Vietnam veterans.


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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: ALAN GRIFFIN MP - MEDIA RELEASE - AUGUST 16, 2007


Media Release

ALAN GRIFFIN MP

Shadow Minister for Veterans? Affairs

Federal Member for Bruce



LABOR WELCOMES GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCEMENT OF RESEARCH PROGRAM FOR CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS



The Shadow Minister for Veterans? Affairs, Alan Griffin, today welcomed the Government?s announcement of a Vietnam Veteran Family Study. 

The announcement came following the Government?s response to the long awaited research protocol study conducted by the Centre for Military and Veterans? Health.

Labor will be examining the details of what the Government has proposed and will consult representatives from the ex-service community. I have also requested a briefing from the Minister?s office on this issue.

However, at first glance this is a significant commitment and a major and positive step forward.

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To: 'Billson, Bruce (MP)'
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:53 PM
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Minister
 
Please accept my sincere congratulations on finally releasing your recommendations on the conduct of the Vietnam Veterans Families Health Study.  This is a positive step and is recognised by all Veterans as such.
 
The fact that you took heed of the urgings of those Veterans and family groups directly involved, not to indulge this matter as a vote winning - pork barrelling exercise (like the Clarke report was used by the coalition) is also to be congratulated.
 
However minister, yourself and the coalition have a lot of ground to catch up on as far as Veterans Entitlements are concerned as you well know.  Minister the report on Defence Force Superannuation and DFRDB/DFRDBF, is due to hit your desk within the next two to three weeks.  Again minister, deal with this matter promptly (don't spin it out for weeks on end) and do not even attempt to use it and your recommendations as an election vote grabber or a pork barrelling exercise, Veteran Superannuants also remember well, how Clarke was used in the last election and will not countenance any such attempts on your behalf or that of the Government on this issue.
 
Oh and by the way minister, if the CPI is such a great method of indexation - why is it not applied to politicians superannuation?.
 
An answer in your own time if you please minister. 
 
Regards
John Hevey
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: ALAN GRIFFIN MP - MEDIA RELEASE - AUGUST 16, 2007


Media Release

ALAN GRIFFIN MP

Shadow Minister for Veterans? Affairs

Federal Member for Bruce



LABOR WELCOMES GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCEMENT OF RESEARCH PROGRAM FOR CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS


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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:47 PM
Subject: Media Release VA124 - WORLD-FIRST STUDY TO EXAMINE HEALTH OF CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


Hello all,
I thank Minister Billson for his personal commitment to the study into the health of the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans, and other conflicts (see below).
 
 
Despite the use of "sharp sticks" on occasions COVVHS hopes that he can accept that this is very emotional and important also thank you to former Minister, Mrs Dana Vale for putting this issue back onto the agenda.
 
 
The Ministers progression of this study is very important and we look forward to further understand the specifics of the study!
 
 
The PVA National Children's Health spokesperson & COVVHS member Mrs Sue Parker will be commenting about the study on the ABC 7.30 Report this evening.
The Research Protocol is available at;
 
http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat/2007/ihesm/index.htm  and is about 400 pages;
COVVHS will make a formal statement in regards to the study after we have fully reviewed the protocol, probably mid next week.
 
 
Kind regards,
David Matheson
President COVVHS 
 
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: Media Release VA124 - WORLD-FIRST STUDY TO EXAMINE HEALTH OF CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


Minister for Veterans? Affairs Mailing List.



VA124   Thursday 16 August 2007


WORLD-FIRST STUDY TO EXAMINE HEALTH OF CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS


The Howard Government will undertake world-first research into the impact of war service on the health and welfare of the children of Vietnam veterans.

Announcing a $13.5 million research program, Minister for Veterans? Affairs, Bruce Billson, said the Vietnam Veteran Family Study provides an innovative, integrated and holistic approach to the health of veterans? families.

?Australia is at the forefront of veteran health and compensation, but we have limited knowledge about the intergenerational effects of war service.  A study of this kind has never been done and Australia will lead the rest of the world in this field,? Mr Billson said.

?The Vietnam Veteran Family Study will study the health and welfare of around 200,000 parents and children participants to identify protective factors and those characteristics which help build resilience in families of veterans.

?This wide ranging study will also provide us with an insight into the health of children of Vietnam veterans, informing the delivery of services that will assist the families of future service personnel.

?The Vietnam Veteran Family Study will be undertaken in a tiered approach, involving qualitative and quantitative research over an eight year period, with some initial results available as early as 2009.?

Mr Billson said that yet again Vietnam veterans were the catalyst for innovation in veteran health.

?The now well-established legacy of Vietnam veterans is continuing through this extensive study program which will further enhance our world-class repatriation system,? Mr Billson said.

?Today the Australian Defence Force has an active Defence Community Organisation which provides a range of support programs for families, before, during and after deployment.  To support this work, the Department of Veterans? Affairs will also commence a study to monitor the health of families of more recently deployed veterans.

?The research program will provide useful information to inform government of the effectiveness of current programs and areas for further policy development.?

The Australian Government currently provides around $10 million a year for a range of services to children of Vietnam veterans, including mental health support through VVCS, medical support through the Vietnam Veterans Children?s Support Program and educational support through the Veterans? Children Education Scheme and the Long Tan Bursary.


Media inquiries: Cameron Hill  0408 239 521

Editors note: Fact Sheet follows.

Fact Sheet


Vietnam Veteran Family Study


What will the study examine?


This study will examine the physical, mental and social health of the families of Vietnam veterans. It will involve both qualitative and quantitative research techniques to identify protective and risk factors. It will provide a comprehensive picture of the health status of this group. The study will also examine suicide rates amongst children of Vietnam veterans.

How many people will be studied?


The study will survey up to 200,000 people, including Vietnam veterans, their families and relevant comparison groups to enable adjustment for both genetics and war service.

How will the study be implemented?


The study will use a tiered approach to enable individual study components to be completed at different stages.  The first qualitative component of the study will be able to commence in the near future with results expected during 2009.

The first step prior to any additional data collection for the health study will be to compile a study roll and contact details of the participants. This process will be commencing shortly and will enable additional study components to commence during 2010.

The tiered approach enables research to be conducted in manageable and achievable stages and results will be progressively available for dissemination.

How long till results are available?


The first results will be available during 2009 with results on other elements of study to be completed by 2016.

Who will undertake the study?


The Department will contract appropriately qualified and experienced research organisations to undertake the qualitative and quantitative studies.

Will all Vietnam veterans and their families be studied and will the Department register individuals for participation in the study?


No.  In line with sound scientific research approaches, the Department will develop a study roll from a randomised sample of Vietnam veterans.



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« Reply #42 on: Saturday,August 11, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Royal Aust GP Mental Health ; AMA ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List ; Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary

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Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans health Study COVVHS


From: Matheson Family
To: David Matheson (Bendigo)
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans health Study COVVHS



Hello all,
On Sunday 12th August at 9AM the program "Sunday" will feature a segment on the Partners of Veterans and their families filmed partly at the Partners of Veterans Association of Australia, Melton Branch, see link for promo; http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/enews/ray-martin-special-report-100807.html

Further,

I have today written to Minister Billson, below inter alia, is part of that letter;

"Therefore I look forward to you undertaking further action as you have outlined in your letter to Mrs. Parker dated 3rd August, 2007.

These are:



1. A date for the consultative forum meeting; and



2. Following that meeting and consultation, an announcement of the actual approach to a study that the Government is prepared to commit to.  We need timelines for the conduct of a study, detail of how it will be undertaken and a clear financial commitment to ensure that it can be done.

COVVHS seek these responses from you Minister, as a matter of urgency."



Kind regards,

David Matheson

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« Reply #41 on: Friday,August 10, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)

Hello all,

On Sunday 12th August at 9AM the program "Sunday" will feature a segment on the Partners of Veterans and their families filmed partly at the Partners of Veterans Association of Australia, Melton Branch.
 
Further,
 
I have today written to Minister Billson, below inter alia, is part of that letter;
 
"Therefore I look forward to you undertaking further action as you have outlined in your letter to Mrs. Parker dated 3rd August, 2007.

These are:

1. A date for the consultative forum meeting; and

2. Following that meeting and consultation, an announcement of the actual approach to a study that the Government is prepared to commit to.  We need timelines for the conduct of a study, detail of how it will be undertaken and a clear financial commitment to ensure that it can be done.

COVVHS seek these responses from you Minister, as a matter of urgency."



Kind regards,

David Matheson

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« Reply #40 on: Sunday,August 05, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:26 AM
Subject: THE GREED CULTURE .....A GOVERNMENT MP LIVES IT UP WHILE VV KIDS CAN'T GET HEALTH STUDY


From: Keith Tennent

To: Main Veterans List

Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:25 AM
Subject: THE GREED CULTURE .....A GOVERNMENT MP LIVES IT UP WHILE VV KIDS CAN'T GET HEALTH STUDY


You pay for MPs' luxury holidays
Article from:

By Sharri Markson
August 05, 2007 12:00am

FEDERAL MPs are exploiting a little-known loophole to take their families on annual holidays to luxury resorts at taxpayers' expense.

The rort was exposed after The Sunday Telegraph discovered Human Services Minister and Cabinet member Chris Ellison has claimed the cost of taking his wife and three children on holidays every July since 2001.

Until this year taxpayers even paid for the family nanny to accompany them.

Taxpayers met the cost of their airfares to Broome and part of their accommodation at the exclusive Cable Beach Club Resort, where the WA Senator and family have stayed for five of the past seven years.

Under Remuneration Tribunal rules, family members are entitled to up to nine trips to Canberra each year but can spend this money on intra-state travel in their home state instead.

The Federal Government has refused to reveal details of such claims by family members of MPs.

A spokesman for Special Minister of State Gary Nairn said these travel records were not on public record.

Senator Ellison's family stayed at the five-star Cable Beach resort while he "visited local communities and conducted business meetings'' on the five different occasions.

His spokesman confirmed that air tickets and part of the cost of accommodation - a beachside bungalow - was paid for by taxpayers.

Records show Senator Ellison claimed $1172 in travel allowances for the family to stay in a bungalow for four nights from July 6 last year.

The previous year, taxpayers subsidised his holiday again, paying $1024 for his family to stay in the same exclusive resort. He was able to have all airfares paid for by taxpayers.

"Travel (airfares) is paid for by the Government and you get a certain accommodation allowance. He uses Broome as a base and stayed at Cable Beach Club Resort,'' the spokesman said.

"The minister exercises his entitlement. He gets a certain payment a night.''

MPs and Senators are entitled to nine taxpayer-funded flights a year for their spouse and three for each child when travelling to Canberra.

These trips to Canberra are then able to be substituted for trips to other locations within an MP's home state or territory.

The entitlement is available to all MPs and senators. Senator Ellison's spokesman said the minister had a busy schedule on the trips to Broome and liked to have his family, which includes seven-year-old twins, accompanying him.

"You need to bear in mind the minister has three young children, all under the age of eight,'' he said.

"He takes the family because it gives him a change to see them (while he is working).''

One Government source said many MPs used the entitlements to subsidise their annual family holiday.

"You can bet your bottom dollar Labor MPs are doing the same thing,'' he said.

The use of taxpayer funds for MP holidays is a sensitive issue for the Government. Earlier this year Prime Minister John Howard had to refund the equivalent of two economy-class airfares to cover his use of a government VIP jet to take a holiday in Broome with his wife Janette.

The jet dropped the Howards off in Broome after a business trip to the Philippines.
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« Reply #39 on: Friday,August 03, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

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Subject: ALAN GRIFFIN MEDIA RELEASE - THE GOVERNMENT MUST TAKE ACTION ON PROPOSED STUDY INTO THE HEALTH OF CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS - 3 AUGUST


From: Hilton, Rod (A. Griffin, MP)
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: ALAN GRIFFIN MEDIA RELEASE - THE GOVERNMENT MUST TAKE ACTION ON PROPOSED STUDY INTO THE HEALTH OF CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS - 3 AUGUST




Media Release

ALAN GRIFFIN MP

Shadow Minister for Veterans? Affairs

Federal Member for Bruce

The government must take action on proposed study into the health of children of vietnam veterans

Alan Griffin, Shadow Minister for Veterans Affairs has again called on the Government to take action in regards to a study into the health of Children of Vietnam Veterans.

A Rudd Labor Government has already committed to undertaking a study into the health of Children of Vietnam Veterans. 

The protocol study from the Centre for Military and Veterans Health was due to be handed to the Department on the 30 June 2007.  It is now over a month since that date has passed.

Minister Billson had previously promised interested parties that he would reconvene the original consultative forum from the feasibility study in the first two weeks of July to discuss these results.  This is a promise that he has failed to keep.

At the recent ACT, West Australian, Victorian and South Australian RSL Congresses I called on the Minister to reconvene this forum.  He has refused to respond to my requests. 

I again call on the Minister to immediately reconvene the original consultative forum from the feasibility study and brief them on the results.  The Minister has been rightly criticised before about his lack of consultation with the Veterans? community on this issue. He must ensure that he is honest with the ex-service community about the Government?s intentions towards this study.

A Rudd Labor Government will ensure that any study conducted will be open and transparent.  Labor will commit to have ongoing consultation with the original consultative forum and provide regular status reports to the ex-service community throughout all phases of the study. 

The facts are clear ? a study into the health of children of Vietnam Veterans can be conducted and will be very worthwhile. Therefore it should be understood that there is no reason why the Minister cannot publicly commit to a study being conducted by the Howard Government.

I urge the Minister to respond to the protocol study as a matter of urgency to ensure that the Government?s position is clear before the election.  A study of this importance should be above politics and I am prepared to offer the Government full bipartisan support for any concrete action they take on this issue. 

Vietnam Veterans have very real concerns regarding the health of their children.  An independent study found in 1999 that children of Vietnam veterans have a suicide rate three times higher than the rest of the general population.

This is an important issue not just for the Vietnam Veterans? community but for the wider Veterans? community.  It goes to the heart of how we value and treat the families of our Veterans and recognise the personal costs to them of ADF service.   

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From: Keith Tennent

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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Thank you - Alan Griffin


From: J & A Hevey
To: Shadow DVA Minister
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Thank you - Alan Griffin


Alan

I write to also extend my sincere gratitude to yourself, for having taken the time to personally telephone Sue Parker of the PVA, regarding her disillusionment with Minister Billson's handling of the COVVHS protocol (as prepared by the CMVH) to date.

No doubt your are aware that minister Billson faithfully undertook, to make public, the CMVH Protocol on 31 July 2007.
And, as to be expected the Minister failed to meet his own undertaking, despite having had the protocol before him for some time.

Alan, your compassion and thoughtfulness, and the simple act of your having called Sue as you did, will no doubt have reinvigorated her faith and determination, to carry on with the commitment to ensure a fair deal for the children of Vietnam Veterans.

Alan your support and actions above are widely appreciated - more so than you might care to think/imagine.



Regards
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From: Keith Tennent

To: Main Veterans List

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From: Ted McEvoy
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:26 PM
Subject: Thank you - Alan Griffin


G'Day All,

As a matter of interest, I sent an email to Alan Griffin (Shadow Minister for Vet Affairs) today with a message that the author of the letter below was feeling very sad and frustrated.

Alan gave Sue Parker a call today to offer encouragement. I for one, dips me lid to him. To me, it's a freshing sign that a bloke who is flat out with the lead-up to the forthcoming Federal Election, can take the time out of his busy day to ring Sue.

It's London to a Brick that Minister Billson has done the same.

Thank you Alan.

Ted McEvoy
Email: tedmac@iinet.net.au

 
From: Matheson Family
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: COVVHS report (Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study)



  1st August, 2007
 

To all members of the veteran community who have supported COVVHS.

 

It is with great sadness, that I write this report.



When COVVHS was formed in 2003, we honestly believed we had a reasonable request.

In 2004, we asked the government a simple question:

 

Is there a higher incidence of chronic health conditions in the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans than their peers?

If so what can be done to help these young members of society. And what can be done to stop this continuing in the children of younger veterans?

 

The former Minister for veteran Affairs, Mrs. Dana Vale instigated the feasibility study in 2004. Since that time, thousands of veterans and their children have informed COVVHS of their calamitous health problems and are waiting for some action.

 

An eminent panel of scientists, appointed by the government, has recommended that such a study was feasible and was worthy of doing. They reported to the Minister for Veteran Affairs, Bruce Billson in September 2006.

 

Instead of following the recommendations the Minister took another line.  He formed another panel of experts to readdress the issue.

 

One he said would deliver quicker results!

 


If you read the Ministers speech to the 92nd State Congress of the RSL Victoria branch 4th July 2007. On page 6 he talks of the health issues and reasons surrounding his decisions. He puts a reasonable case. But is it really true?

The Minister chooses his words carefully and takes parts of the original scientists report, out of context. Had he accepted their recommendation we would be well along the way to knowing the health status of our children.

The minister talks of caring and compassion. He has not responded to any of us?other than one phone call to the COVVHS Chairperson to complain vigorously that we were clogging up his Fax machines!!

 

When we started this journey, I really believed that we lived in a true and just society.

What a naive individual I was!!

When governments can play with words to their own justification, what hope do we have?

When a Minister can sit in front of a group of women and agree to do something and then completely ignore that offer and not even have the courtesy to reply to them as to why he has reneged. (I refer to the meeting with members of the PVA in April, this year)

We are being treated with utter contempt by the Government and Ministry for Veteran Affairs.

 

I can only hope the ?pen is mightier than the sword? when the Election comes.

 

I can only hope the next government will have more understanding of what is right and follow through on issues that are ethically and morally correct.

 

What hope have we as a community when the government spends literally hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight one World War 2 widow who only wants a war widow?s pension??

 

To all of the veteran community whose hopes I have raised and once again we have been let down, I humbly apologise.

 

Early in this venture, I received an a-mail from someone who wished me luck, but said she doubted we would get anywhere as it has been tried in the past and failed. I would hate to think she proves to be right!

 

Our men, and now women, who are sent to fight for their wonderful Australia are still just ?canon fodder? and so are their families.

 

I make no apologies for any of this message. It just saddens me greatly that this government throws a pittance of dollars for projects to keep ?the veterans? quiet and millions of dollars for ?cold hard monuments?.



Surely something really productive could be done for the health of our warm breathing innocent children and their families.

 

I guess honest caring groups of people will continue to be overpowered by the ?wordsmiths? of Parliament!

 

Sincerely

Sue Parker

Mother

National PVA children?s health spokesperson.

COVVHS member


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www.covvhs.org.au
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The Prime Minister, Mr John Howard

Email;

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Email B.Billson.MP@aph.gov.au

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                        Fax (03) 9783 7912

 

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From: Matheson Family
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: COVVHS report (Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study)



  1st August, 2007
 

To all members of the veteran community who have supported COVVHS.

 

It is with great sadness, that I write this report.



When COVVHS was formed in 2003, we honestly believed we had a reasonable request.

In 2004, we asked the government a simple question:

 

Is there a higher incidence of chronic health conditions in the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans than their peers?

If so what can be done to help these young members of society. And what can be done to stop this continuing in the children of younger veterans?

 

The former Minister for veteran Affairs, Mrs. Dana Vale instigated the feasibility study in 2004. Since that time, thousands of veterans and their children have informed COVVHS of their calamitous health problems and are waiting for some action.

 

An eminent panel of scientists, appointed by the government, has recommended that such a study was feasible and was worthy of doing. They reported to the Minister for Veteran Affairs, Bruce Billson in September 2006.

 

Instead of following the recommendations the Minister took another line.  He formed another panel of experts to readdress the issue.

 

One he said would deliver quicker results!

 


If you read the Ministers speech to the 92nd State Congress of the RSL Victoria branch 4th July 2007. On page 6 he talks of the health issues and reasons surrounding his decisions. He puts a reasonable case. But is it really true?

The Minister chooses his words carefully and takes parts of the original scientists report, out of context. Had he accepted their recommendation we would be well along the way to knowing the health status of our children.

The minister talks of caring and compassion. He has not responded to any of us?other than one phone call to the COVVHS Chairperson to complain vigorously that we were clogging up his Fax machines!!

 

When we started this journey, I really believed that we lived in a true and just society.

What a naive individual I was!!

When governments can play with words to their own justification, what hope do we have?

When a Minister can sit in front of a group of women and agree to do something and then completely ignore that offer and not even have the courtesy to reply to them as to why he has reneged. (I refer to the meeting with members of the PVA in April, this year)

We are being treated with utter contempt by the Government and Ministry for Veteran Affairs.

 

I can only hope the ?pen is mightier than the sword? when the Election comes.

 

I can only hope the next government will have more understanding of what is right and follow through on issues that are ethically and morally correct.

 

What hope have we as a community when the government spends literally hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight one World War 2 widow who only wants a war widow?s pension??

 

To all of the veteran community whose hopes I have raised and once again we have been let down, I humbly apologise.

 

Early in this venture, I received an a-mail from someone who wished me luck, but said she doubted we would get anywhere as it has been tried in the past and failed. I would hate to think she proves to be right!

 

Our men, and now women, who are sent to fight for their wonderful Australia are still just ?canon fodder? and so are their families.

 

I make no apologies for any of this message. It just saddens me greatly that this government throws a pittance of dollars for projects to keep ?the veterans? quiet and millions of dollars for ?cold hard monuments?.



Surely something really productive could be done for the health of our warm breathing innocent children and their families.

 

I guess honest caring groups of people will continue to be overpowered by the ?wordsmiths? of Parliament!

 

Sincerely

Sue Parker

Mother

National PVA children?s health spokesperson.

COVVHS member


http://www.svsg.org.au/links.htm
www.covvhs.org.au
Please feel free to forward this email onto any Vietnam veteran and their family members that you know!


The Prime Minister, Mr John Howard

Email; http://www.pm.gov.au/contact/index.cfm

Canberra;         Tel: (02) 6277 7700
                        Fax: (02) 6273 4100

Electorate;        Tel: (02) 8226 8400
                        Fax: (02) 9251 5454

 

Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr Bruce Billson

Email B.Billson.MP@aph.gov.au

Canberra;         Tel (02) 6277 7820   

                        Fax (02) 6273 4140   

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                        Fax (03) 9783 7912

 

Minister for Defence, Dr Brendan Nelson

Email b.nelson.mp@aph.gov.au

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From: Keith Tennent

To: Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Fw: Where is the CMVH Protocol Minister?.


From: J & A Hevey
To: 'Billson, Bruce (MP)'
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: Where is the CMVH Protocol Minister?.


Minister

I am again prompted to write, this time to request your advice as to why the CMVH protocol, you undertook to release on 30 July 2007, has yet to see the light of day in the public arena and with the groups it so intrinsically affects.

Minister I would if I may, like to take you back to 11 AM on Tuesday 10 April 2007.  At this time on this day, you participated in a meeting with the Partners of Veterans Association of Australia (PVA), the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study(COVVHS) together with a number of senior officers from your department. The basic tenant of this meeting was to discuss the progress of the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study.


During the course of this meeting you intimated to those attending that development of the 'Protocol" by CMVH was completed, you went on to advise that "the protocol would be delivered by 30th July 2007".


Here we are Minister at 4.10PM on 31 July 2007, and as far as I can ascertain the protocol remains on your desk.


Of further interest is the fact that the protocol has in effect been on your desk for some considerable time, most certainly well before the meeting of 10 April 2007, and definitely several weeks prior to Friday 20 July 2007.

Of further interest Minister is, what ever happened to the reconvening of the former Consultative Committee, and the meeting you directed your advisor to organise ( at the 10 April 2007 meeting) for the first two weeks of July 2007.

Minister I request that you advise all interested parties by return E-Mail, why the protocol has failed to be released on Monday 30 July 2007, as per your statement/undertaking at the 10 April 2007 meeting and despite it known to have been in your possession for several weeks. Similarly you are requested to advise why the directed (by yourself) reconvening of the former Consultative Committee did not take place in the first two weeks of July 2007.

Minister do you not have any level of emotion or care for those Men and Women?, who hold this matter close to their hearts as parents do.
For god's sake Minister, give them a response one way or another in the time line you indicated - don't string them along with false undertaking's and then blithely do nothing - even a phone call advising them that a further delay was to be expected would have eased their anguish.

Regards
John Hevey
(The Great Garibaldi)

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From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

Cc: Main Veterans List ; Federal Parliamentary List

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:26 PM
Subject: JOINT MEDIA RELEASE - MILITARY SUPER VIEW WILL NOT EXAMINE NEW TAX ON DEFENCE SUPERANNUATION - 26 JULY


From: J & A Hevey

To: Pearce, Helen (M. Brough, MP)

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:29 PM

Subject: Re: Not read: Fw: ALAN GRIFFIN - NICK SHERRY - JOINT MEDIA RELEASE - MILITARY SUPER VIEW WILL NOT EXAMINE NEW TAX ON DEFENCE SUPERANNUATION - 26 JULY


Helen


That is the point precisely. Billson nor Nelson reply to anything that is sent to them, be it by snail mail or E-Mail, be it by myself or any one with a Veteran issue to which answers are being sought.  In fact I can quote you documented incidents of Minister Billson, ignoring or purposely side stepping snail mail delivered to him.

They can not even pay the courtesy of acknowledging receipt of any form of correspondence. I should have known from past experience (myself and other Veterans alike) not to have gotten my hopes up for a response from Mal.

In fact, no one from the Liberal Coalition seem to want to respond to legitimate queries, let alone acknowledge receipt of same.  We/I gain the distinct impression that this is a matter of course for the Coalition, and it is little wonder that the perception of the Coalition being out of touch is fast gathering credence, as is reflected in recent polls.

On the subject of supplying a mailing address, this is something that I always do, including supplying my telephone number.  If you care to scroll down to my original E-Mail you will find that this - as always was included.

Irrespective of whose electorate the village of Wamuran now lies in, I addressed my correspondence to Mal Brough MP, in an attempt to gain his feelings and thoughts on the issue.  Yet my attempts seem to be thwarted in the interests of what a minder considers appropriate for the Minister to read, and in keeping with the now evident broader policy of not responding to genuine queries as enshrined by the Coalition.

Do you have any concept, of how repeated requests for information/action left unanswered/unresponded too by all Coalition MP's presents to the Australian voting public?.



Regards John Hevey The Great Garibaldi

***************

From: "Pearce, Helen (M. Brough, MP)" To: "J & A Hevey" Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: RE: Not read: Fw: ALAN GRIFFIN - NICK SHERRY - JOINT MEDIA RELEASE - MILITARY SUPER VIEW WILL NOT EXAMINE NEW TAX ON DEFENCE SUPERANNUATION - 26 JULY


Dear Mr Hevey,

Unfortunately we can't predict who may or may not reside in our electorate if an address is not supplied and as already mentioned your email was addressed to Minister Billson and Nelson who we would expect to reply to your concerns.

You may not be aware that there has been a redistribution of the electoral boundaries and Wamuran is now in Peter Slipper's electorate of Fisher. You may wish to address your concerns to his office  -

Regards,

Helen Pearce Office Manager Longman Electorate Office

***********************

From: J & A Hevey j_eevee@optusnet.com.au

Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 11:59 AM

To: Pearce, Helen (M. Brough, MP)

Subject: Re: Not read: Fw: ALAN GRIFFIN - NICK SHERRY - JOINT MEDIA

RELEASE - MILITARY SUPER VIEW WILL NOT EXAMINE NEW TAX ON DEFENCE SUPERANNUATION - 26 JULY


Helen

Two issues now emerge:-

1.    I may not be enrolled to vote within Mals electorate.  However, I spend quite a considerable amount of time each year at Wamuran, which is in > Mals electorate, and I am currently in the throws of taking up permanent residence in Mals  electorate, as chance would have it, I will be back in Wamuran at the end of next month regarding permanent residence.  I consider  the matter of not being on the electoral role for Mal's electorate, to be a total irrelevance as a rational for disregarding my desire to hear Mal's position on the subject.  If this off handed approach, is the normal course that Mal adopts on issues - even if I am only a prospective member of the electorate. Then I am not so sure that I want him as my elected representative.

2.    As things go, Minister Billson repeatedly fails or ignores to respond to any off the issues that are placed before him, or should I say that all correspondence is vetted by his minders (AS IS THE CASE HERE) and all issues/questions of a nature not to the liking of the minister are filtered out.  Hence my approach to my future Parliamentary representative.

Whilst the two points above may not be of any interest to yourself , I am now finding that it is apparently common practice amongst the greater majority of Liberal Coalition politicians, who choose to adopt this
(convenient) approach when avoiding dealing with distasteful issues.

You may not be aware, but my elected representative at my current address is a Labour politician (and very good at that).  There is a national election in the offing, an election where I as a Veteran would like to ensure that I use my vote to maximine effect.  I most certainly cannot make an informed decision on my voting intentions if I am to be disenfranchised by virtue

Liberal Coalition politicians refusing to even  read the questions I ask of them - unless I am totally misinformed - constitutionally I have the right to be replied to and not fobbed off as I have been here.

Regards The Great Garibaldi



From: "Pearce, Helen (M. Brough, MP)" Helen.Pearce@aph.gov.au To: "J & A Hevey" j_eevee@optusnet.com.au Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: RE: Not read: Fw: ALAN GRIFFIN - NICK SHERRY - JOINT MEDIA RELEASE - MILITARY SUPER VIEW WILL NOT EXAMINE NEW TAX ON DEFENCE SUPERANNUATION - 26 JULY


Dear Mr Hevey,

Although Mal is not able to provide a personal response to every email

he receives, all messages are read. As your email was also sent to Minister Billson who has portfolio responsibility for the issues raised, we did not send a response.

As Mal receives hundreds of emails on a daily basis, his priority is to respond to those who reside in his electorate and to those who raise issues relating to his portfolio.

Regards,

Helen Pearce Office Manager Longman Electorate Office



From: J & A Hevey j_eevee@optusnet.com.au

Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 9:56 AM

To: Pearce, Helen (M. Brough, MP)

Subject: Re: Not read: Fw: ALAN GRIFFIN - NICK SHERRY - JOINT MEDIA RELEASE - MILITARY SUPER VIEW WILL NOT EXAMINE NEW TAX ON DEFENCE SUPERANNUATION - 26 JULY


Helen

Could you please advise by return E-Mail why it is that you have seen fit to delete my E-Mail to Mal.

The subject heading and content may have appeared inconsequential to yourself.  However, it dealt with an issue of extreme importance to myself and one which I valued Mal's response and thoughts on.


Regards John Hevey
(The Great Garibaldi)


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Subject: Not read: Fw: ALAN GRIFFIN - NICK SHERRY - JOINT MEDIA RELEASE
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From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

Cc: Main Veterans List
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: VV Kids Health Study


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: VV Kids Health Study


Hello all,

There is nothing to report other than the responses from our last email clogged out the faxes at both of Billson's offices for several days (Frankston and Canberra).


It is mooted that we will do another mailout soon asking for responses to the Prime Minister (preferably to his fax machines).


The one positive for me is that I get literally hundreds of positive feed back emails after each mailout, the Vietnam veteran community is resolute.


I just wish the so-called major peak bodies would put their hands up it is a lot of work for half a dozen individuals, arranging meetings with parliamentarians, travel, etc.


Regards,
David

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From: J & A Hevey
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: VV Kids Health Study



Minister Billson, recently advised during the course of a meeting of  COVVHS, that "the study protocol will be handed down by 30 July 2007".

Today dawns as the 31st of July 2007, and no mention can be found of this long awaited protocol, no media releases have emanated from the Minister for Mediocrity's office overnight.

Has the Minister in fact released the protocol, that has been languishing on his desk for several weeks.  Perhaps it still languishes in his too hard basket.  Do those who are fighting tooth and nail, for justice in respect of the VV Kids Health Study still wait.




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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday,July 31, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

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Cc: Federal Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: VV Kids Health Study


From: J & A Hevey
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: VV Kids Health Study


Minister Billson recently advised during the course of a meeting of  COVVHS, that "the study protocol will be handed down by 30 July 2007".

Today dawns as the 31st of July 2007, and no mention can be found of this long awaited protocol, no media releases have emanated from the Minister's office overnight.

Has the Minister in fact released the protocol, that has been languishing on his desk for several weeks?  Perhaps it still languishes in his too hard basket.  Do those who are fighting tooth and nail for justice in respect of the VV Kids Health Study still wait.



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« Reply #31 on: Monday,July 30, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Main Veterans List
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: TPIS HAVE NO CHOICE ABOUT KIDS OR INCOME....WE JUST COP IT SWEET


COMMENT.

Military members have no choice but to accept their lot, raise the kids, pay the bills, work hard and dangerously and then, when they become disabled, line up for the broken promises made to them over conditions of service. TPIs simply have no choices at all and can either cop it sweet with our unjust compensation, or try and Soldier on in the work force without applying for the TPI payment, not being able to better ourselves or our income because of our War caused disabilities.



Parents who set a tough example
Article from:
By Tory Maguire

July 30, 2007 12:00am

THE plaudits for Steve Bracks' "courageous" decision to put family before state have been predictably fulsome.


Conveniently ignoring that it may in fact be too late for Bracks to begin fathering his 20-year-old son Nick, the now-ex Victorian premier is being held up as a somewhat handsome embodiment of the modern man.

At the same time, Morris Iemma wants to be home by six to bath his kids, and Jackie Kelly has revealed her decision to quit her Federal seat of Lindsay at the next election was inspired by her nearly killing her kids in a car accident - four years ago .

How terribly 2007.

The mere suggestion that work may sometimes have to come before family has become such a taboo, it's not worth the judgmental looks of shock and disbelief to express it in polite company.

And there's a lot to be said for not expecting children to rear themselves while their parents are out conquering the world.

But the danger in all of this is that this crop of politicians under the age of 55 are setting up expectations the rest of us can't possibly be expected to meet.

Who but those in possession of a generous parliamentary pension can afford to drop out of the workforce in the prime of their lives at the first hint of trouble with their kids, as Mr Bracks and Ms Kelly have done?

While Mr Iemma's speeding home for bathtime and a round of Golden Books, are his staff also afforded such luxury or are they still in the office making it possible for the Premier to indulge his work/life balance?

Politicians having to struggle to raise their families, just like the rest of us, is not new.

There are countless examples of political children going off the rails at one time or another, but you didn't see Bob Hawke quitting over his daughter's heroin addiction or John Howard throwing in the towel when his son was done for DUI.

No doubt both men put an extraordinary effort into dealing with their children's issues, but they didn't give up their jobs to do it - and the fact they were facing the same challenges as a lot of Australian parents lent an authenticity to their political pitch.

Politicians work hard but so do the people who vote for them.

Who's going to step in and pick up the pieces when it all gets too much for us?



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« Reply #30 on: Friday,July 20, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Main Veterans List

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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


Good morning to all those wonderful people that sent the Minister messages.

We hear the response has been "overwhelming" for his office machines!!

We / you have certainly made it clear there is a large group of active people in the veteran community, awaiting a response from the Ministers office about the "sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans health study".

We have let him know that we are not going away!
We have let him know that we are not tiring out!

Again , many thanks to all of you who contacted the Ministers office.

We are gaining momentum!!

Kind regards,
David Matheson
COVVHS

http://www.svsg.org.au/links.htm
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For wide distribution - please forward to any Vietnam vet and family members that you know!
 

Hello all,

 

On Tuesday, 10th April, 2007 at 11 am, a delegation from the Partners of Veterans Association of Australia (PVA) and the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc (COVVHS) met with the Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr Bruce Billson.





Also in attendance were Mr Adam Luckhurst, National Manager, Rehabilitation, Research and Development, DVA, and Mr Vincent Sheey, Advisor to the Minister.





At this meeting, the Minister was keen to reassure the veteran community that all ?was on track? with the development of the Protocol by the CMVH.

Minister Billson insisted that the health of sons and daughters of all veterans was an important issue to him.



Mr. Billson said that the protocol would be delivered by June 30th.



His general response was "that there was cause for optimism."

Minister Billson agreed that it would be a good idea to reconvene the former Consultative forum to meet in the first two weeks of July, and have Professor Niki Ellis brief those members of the veteran community, on the Protocol and the CMVH's recommendations.





The Minister gave his word that he would reconvene the former Consultative forum to meet in the first two weeks of July.





In the delegates? presence, the Minister instructed his adviser Mr Sheey to commence measures to implement this, however to date, nothing has transpired.





The Protocol is sitting on the Ministers desk yet Mr Billson won?t release it.

COVVHS asks that you contact the Minister via email, fax or telephone and demand that he keep the promise he made in April, to reconvene the former Consultative forum, and have Professor Niki Ellis brief the veterans community, about the Protocol and the CMVH's recommendations, ASAP,  and not wait and use it as a "bargaining tool" for the upcoming election.





Our children's lives should not be used as "vote catchers" surely they are worth much more than that!!



Please include a "cc" or call your local Federal member.



Email B.Billson.MP@aph.gov.au

Telephones (02) 6277 7820   (03) 9781 2333

Fax (02) 6273 4140   (03) 9783 7912



Please help us to demonstrate to the Minister, in this election year, that the veterans?

community will not be fobbed off.



He needs our vote, and he must show us he is worthy of it?



Remember, every call, fax, or e-mail counts!! Our children need this study!

Kind regards

David Matheson

President, COVVHS


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« Reply #29 on: Thursday,July 19, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

Cc: Federal Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List ; Ian McPhedran News Ltd ; Paul Dyer Journo News Limited ; Sasha Uzunov Freelance Journo ; Edith Bevan Journo ; Mike Carey SBS ; Paul Cutler SBS ; Hugo Kelly Journo ; Paul Murray ; Alison Rehn Journo ; Qld Courier Mail Editor ; Frank Walker Fairfax ; Michael McKenna Australian ; Neil Wilson Herald Journo ; Michael Bailey Radio 4RO ; K Stevenson ; Chris Masters

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:10 AM
Subject: GOVERNMENT FAILS TO DELIVER WITH VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)


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Hello all,

 

On Tuesday, 10th April, 2007 at 11 am, a delegation from the Partners of Veterans Association of Australia (PVA) and the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc





(COVVHS) met with the Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr Bruce Billson.





Also attending were Mr Adam Luckhurst, National Manager, Rehabilitation, Research and Development, DVA, and Mr Vincent Sheey, Advisor to the Minister.





At this meeting, the Minister was keen to reassure the veterans community that all ?was on track? with the CMVH.



Minister Billson insisted that the health of sons and daughters of all veterans was an important issue to him.



Mr. Billson said that the protocol would be delivered by June 30th.



His general response was "that there was cause for optimism."



Minister Billson agreed that it would be a good idea to reconvene the former Consultative forum to meet in the first two weeks of July, and have Professor Niki Ellis brief those members of the veteran community, on the Protocol and the CMVH's recommendations.





The Minister gave his word that he would reconvene the former Consultative forum to meet in the first two weeks of July.





In the delegates? presence, the Minister instructed his adviser Mr Sheey to commence measures to implement this, however to date, nothing has been transpired.



The Protocol is sitting on the Ministers desk yet Mr Billson won?t release it.



COVVHS asks that you contact the Minister via email, fax or telephone and demand that he keep the promise he made in April, to reconvene the former Consultative forum, and have Professor Niki Ellis brief the veterans community, about the Protocol and the CMVH's recommendations, ASAP,  and not wait and use it as a "bargaining tool" for the upcoming election.





Our children's lives should not be used as "vote catchers" they are worth more than that!!



Please include a "cc" or call your local Federal member.



Email B.Billson.MP@aph.gov.au



Telephones (02) 6277 7820 (03) 9781 2333



Fax (02) 6273 4140 (03) 9783 7912



Please help us to demonstrate to the Minister, in this election year, that the veterans? community will not be fobbed off.



He needs our vote, and he must show us he is worthy of it?



Remember, every call, fax, or e-mail counts!! Our children need this study!



Kind regards

David Matheson

President, COVVHS


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« Reply #28 on: Friday,July 13, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

Cc: Federal Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List ; Ian McPhedran News Ltd ; Paul Dyer Journo News Limited ; Sasha Uzunov Freelance Journo ; Edith Bevan Journo ; Mike Carey SBS ; Paul Cutler SBS ; Hugo Kelly Journo ; Paul Murray ; Alison Rehn Journo ; Qld Courier Mail Editor ; Frank Walker Fairfax ; Michael McKenna Australian ; Neil Wilson Herald Journo ; Michael Bailey Radio 4RO ; K Stevenson ; Chris Masters ; steve.bracks@parliament.vic.gov.au

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: VICTORIAN PREMIER SUPPORTS VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY


From: J & A Hevey
To: NiftyBlue ; Matheson Family ; Keith Tennent
Cc: 'Billson, Bruce (MP)'
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: VICTORIAN PREMIER SUPPORTS VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY


Whilst I applaud Mr Bracks insight, content and the tone of his letter to the Minister for Medals, Monuments, Museums and Mediocrity (Billson).  I am left to wonder, why is it that a State Premier (Labour) has to take up this issue on behalf of Veterans?.

Why is it that the Federal Minister for Mediocrity (Billson) pursues a path of stalling tactics, allowing this issue to sit around and languish, whilst the real issues go un-attended?. 

Politics is of course the answer (and of course some very cunning discussions between Mr Bracks, and the driving force behind our children's health|welfare).   No doubt as a consequence, we can expect that the Federal Minister for Mediocrity (Billson) will make some form of gratuitous announcement on this very real issue between now and the election.  For no other reason, other than to save his political hide and fat cat way of life down on the Mornington Peninsular.

My congratulations go to those involved in bringing about the timely intervention of Mr Bracks. It speaks bucket loads about an issue, avoidance and the depth of feeling, when we see a State Premier serving it up to a Federal Minister for playing stalling tactics at the expense of those in true need on a National basis.

" Ah Minister (for mediocrity) - you have done it again".  But then again that was the plan from the beginning was it not?.


Regards
The Great Garibaldi

John Hevey
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Hello all,

COVVHS appreciates having a Victorian Premier who has a genuine interests in Veterans affairs and provides the range of support associated with the health and well being of Veterans families.

Recently Premier Bracks wrote to Prime Minister Howard providing support to the actual instigation of a study into the health of Veterans sons and daughter.

Attached is the letter provided by Premier Bracks.

Kind regards,
David Matheson
President, COVVHS

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« Reply #27 on: Thursday,July 12, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:39 PM
Subject: VICTORIAN PREMIER SUPPORTS VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:49 PM
Subject: Fw: Children of Vietnam Veterans health Study (COVVHS)



Hello all,

COVVHS appreciates having a Victorian Premier who has a genuine interests in Veterans affairs and provides the range of support associated with the health and well being of Veterans families.

Recently Premier Bracks wrote to Prime Minister Howard providing support to the actual instigation of a study into the health of Veterans sons and daughter.

Attached is the letter provided by Premier Bracks.

Kind regards,
David Matheson
President, COVVHS

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday,July 12, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

Cc: Main Veterans List

Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: [Vvag] Important message to VVAG members and NZ Vietnam Vets


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: [Vvag] Important message to VVAG members and NZ Vietnam Vets


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From: Gary Green
To: vvag@vvanz.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: [Vvag] Important message to VVAG members and NZ Vietnam Vets


Hi Everyone,

 

Could this be posted on all Vietnam Vets nets.

 

Brett Bullians Chairman and myself Bruce Weir Secretary/Treasurer and organiser VVAG will be arriving in Auckland NZ on the 22nd July.

 

We have a meeting organised at the Manurewa RSA for 10am Sunday 22nd July.

 

Brett And I will be holding a series of meetings in NZ.

 

At this stage it look like:--

Manurewa RSA this confirmed.

 

Kawerau, Rotorua, Levin/ Palmerston North, Wellington & Christchurch yet to be confirmed and will let everybody know ASAP once venues are confirmed.

 

These meetings are to meet and explain to our members and other possible members what VVAG is all about and confirm our presentation to the Government.

 

All Vietnam Veterans and their families are welcome at whatever venues are chosen.

 

It?s about as simple as this :-- if you are happy with the current situation with the MoU fine! but if you are not happy with it then you and your family are welcome to become members of VVAG because we are actually doing something to address the situation.

 

We had a litigating Barrister in New York for the opening day of the hearing into the Chemical companies liability.

 

Did anyone else from our part of the world??? not that I am aware of.

 

A Treaty of Waitangi claim has been instituted.

 

If you want to see justice done join VVAG.

 

Go to our website www.vvanz.com  (vvanz.com) and you can download the registration forms and also  see what?s happening.

 

Cheers Bruce Weir V3 Secretary VVAG
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday,July 04, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

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Cc: Main Veterans List

Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:02 PM
Subject: CONCESSIONS FOR KIDS OF VETERANS...A VETERAN COMMENTS


From: Greg Mitchell

To: lynne.kosky@parliament.vic.gov.au ; publictransportart@doi.vic.gov.au

Cc: admin@tpihqvic.org.au ; rslvic@rslvic.com.au ; 'Keith Tennent'

Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: Metlink Concession Card


Dear Sir/Madam.

 

My son Jarrad received a Low Income Health Care card today; this will entitle him to a concession when traveling on Metlink.  I still ask the question why Centrelink doesn?t include the Veterans? Children Education Scheme as part of the qualifying criteria published on their Webpage.  Also why doesn?t DVA inform you that you could qualify for the Low Income Health Care card if you are receiving the Veterans? Children Education Allowance?

 

I also received a phone call from Metlink last week, they told me that the Victorian Government does not recognize Pre Apprenticeship Courses for a Metlink Concession Card; I think the Victorian Government should change this.

Thank you for your support Keith.

Yours faithfully,
 

Greg Mitchell

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

 

To date I have not received a response from your office but this is an update of where I am at.

 

I rang Centrelink and explained to them that my son Jarrad was receiving an education allowance under the Veterans? Children Education Scheme at the rate of $192.50 per fortnight.  I asked them if he was entitled to a Health Care Card, they told me bluntly that he if was not receiving an allowance from Centrelink he was not entitled to it.

 

Searching through Centrelink?s website I came across the below page for the Low Income Health Care Card.  If you run down the page and read: Who needs to apply for a Low Income Health Care Card? The criteria is  Austudy  ABSTUDY  Youth Allowance.  There is no mention of the Veteran?s Children Education Scheme. If you look at the next section referring to Customers that automatically receive a Health Care Card there is also no reference to the Veteran?s Children Education Scheme.

However if you look at the Low Income Health Care Card - Income Test (bottom section of this email) they include as income ?Veteran affairs payments?.

 

After discovering this, I again rang Centrelink and pointed this out to them.  They told me to get a Statement of Income from the Department of Veteran?s Affairs being paid by the Veteran?s Children Education Scheme and send a claim in for the Low Income Health Care Card.  If Jarrad gets this Card it will entitle him to a Metlink Concession.  Talk about jumping through hoops!

 

I have found this whole affair to be very confusing and frustrating. If Centrelink does deem that Jarrad qualifies for the Low Income Health Care Card, Centrelink should include the Veteran?s Children Education Scheme as part of the qualifying criteria published on their Webpage.

 

I think that TPI Veterans should be informed about this anomaly, if Jarrad does eventually get a Metlink Concession it will mean a saving to him of $40 per fortnight.  The Health Care Card also provides him with entitlements that he would not otherwise receive from the Department of Veteran?s Affairs.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

Greg Mitchell
 

Income Health Care Cards:
?                  What are Low Income Health Care Card holders entitled to?

?                  Do I qualify for a Low Income Health Care Card?

?                  What is the income test for a Low Income Health Care Card?

?                  Who needs to apply for a Low Income Health Care Card?

?                  How do I apply for a Low Income Health Care Card?

?                  How long will my Low Income Health Care Card last?

?                  How do I find out more?


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What are Low Income Health Care Card holders entitled to?

Low Income Health Care Card holders and any dependants listed on the card may be entitled to:

?                  Commonwealth health concessions

?                  concessions offered by private companies

?                  reduced cost medicines under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS)

?                  State and Local Government concessions such as:

?                          health care costs including ambulance, dental and eye care

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Who needs to apply for a Low Income Health Care Card?

You will need to lodge a claim for a Low Income Health Care Card if you are a low income earner (who satisfies the Health Care Card Income Test) or if you are a Student or Australian Apprentice receiving one the following payments:

?                  Austudy

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Customers receiving the following payments will automatically receive a Health Care Card and do not need to lodge a claim:

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Students or Australian Apprentices receiving ABSTUDY, Austudy or Youth Allowance can claim their Low Income Health Care Card by telephoning us on 13 2490.

To claim your Low Income Health care Card you need to lodge a Low Income Health Care Card claim form. Couples can lodge their claims on a single Low Income Health Care Card claim form.

Each person claiming a Low Income Health Care Card must provide:

?                  a minimum of 50 points of Identity and proof of Australian Residence (as specified on the claim form)

?                  proof of their income for the eight week assessment period (as specified on the claim form).

Go to the Low Income Health Care Card claim form.

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Your Low Income Health Care Card will be valid for a six month period starting from the date you lodge your claim. One month before your Low Income Health Care Card is due to expire you will be sent a Low Income Health Care Card Renewal claim form.

The Renewal claim form will determine your ongoing entitlement to a Low Income Health Care Card. Your entitlement is based on the eight week period of income you declare on the Renewal claim form.

To renew your Low Income Health Care Card, your gross income must be below the Low Income Health Care Card - Income Test limit that applies to you.

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What is the Maximum Gross Income to qualify for a Health Care Card?

Your income must be below the limit that applies to you for the eight week period for you to be eligible for a Low Income Health Care Card.

Status
 Weekly Income
 8 weekly income
 
Single, no children
 $423.00
 $3384.00
 
Single, or couple combined, one child
 $739.00
 $5912.00
 
Partnered (combined), no children
 $705.00
 $5640.00
 
For each child, add
 $34
 $272.00
 

Each time you apply or renew your Low Income Card, you will be required to re-qualify for the card. To be entitled to a new or renewed card, your weekly income must be no higher than the Maximum Gross Income required to qualify for a Health Care Card (as stated in the table above).

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If your income does change, you must tell Centrelink and we can work out if you are still qualified for the card and can continue to use it.

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 Weekly Income
 8 weekly income
 
Single, no children
 $528.75
 $4230.00
 
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 $923.75
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Today's Date: 06/15/2007 - Last Modified: 06/04/2007

Centrelink ABN: 29468422437

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Dear Sir/Madam,

 

My son Jarrad Mitchell is undertaking Certificate 11 Plumbing (Pre-apprenticeship) course at RMIT University; the course duration is 14 weeks full time study.  Jarrad has tried to get RMIT University to endorse an application for a Metlink Student Concession Card, however they refuse to do so as they have been told by Metlink that Pre-apprenticeship courses do not meet Metlink?s criteria for a Student Concession Card.

 

I have rung Metlink and they seem to think this is a grey area and that they do not know if this type of course qualifies for a Concession Card.  They have assigned me a Case number: 23979 and said that they should get back to me within 7 days.

 

Jarrad started this course 2 weeks ago (this being his 3rd week) of the 14 week course.  If Metlink take 7 days to respond to my enquiry and then say Jarrad is eligible, how would this be  confirmed with RMIT?  Also, by the time the application could be endorsed by RMIT University there would only be 10 or less weeks duration of the course left, which would make him ineligible for the Concession!

 

Eligibility criteria:

To obtain a Victorian Public Transport Student Concession Card (VPT Concession Card), you must be a student and must fulfill the following eligibility criteria.

All students must be:

Attending a normal course of full-time study at a School/College/Institution, registered with the Victorian Department of Education and Training as shown in the Victorian Public Transport Approved Schools and Approved Courses in Tertiary Institutions Register.
AND

A citizen or permanent resident of Australia or a student with refugee status, a student studying as part of an approved overseas exchange program (proof required) or a student with an Australian Development Scholarship (proof required).

Students are NOT eligible to obtain a VPT Concession Card if they are:

Enrolled in a Masters, Doctorate or other postgraduate courses
Overseas full-fee paying students (primary, secondary, tertiary)
Enrolled in a tertiary course which is less than ten weeks duration
Enrolled in an apprenticeship course.

Of note is the criteria which does not qualify one for a VPT Concession Card that being ?enrolled in an apprenticeship course?.  I would assume that if a person were enrolled in an apprenticeship course you would be indentured as an apprentice and would be in paid full time employment as opposed to doing a Pre-apprenticeship course in which one does not receive any remuneration and is studying full time.

 

Tertiary students (code T)

This card is available to full-time Victorian tertiary students who attend a college or university listed in the

Approved Courses in Tertiary Institutions Register and undertaking an approved full time course.

Victorian Tertiary Student Concession Cards are available for a half year or full year. Students enrolled in courses

of between 10 and 20 weeks can only obtain a half-yearly card. Concession cards are not issued for courses of

less than 10 weeks? duration.

 

I believe Jarrad?s Pre-apprenticeship course falls into the above category, and therefore should entitle him to a Concession Card.

 

 

I am a TPI Veteran. My son Jarrad is deemed by the Department of Veterans? Affairs to be undertaking full time study and receives an education allowance under the Veterans? Children Education Scheme at the rate of $192.50 per fortnight.  This does not entitle him to any other benefits e.g. Heath Care Card although he is listed on my Pensioner concession card with his own no. VSM08281B.

 

Metlink state ?that the Australian Pensioner Concession Card concession applies only to the cardholder, and does not extend to any dependants named on the card, even when they are travelling with the cardholder?.

 

If Jarrad were receiving Youth Allowance from Centrelink he would automatically receive a Health Care Card, which would entitle him to a Metlink Concession Card.

 

My areas of concern are:

 

-       Why is a 14 week full time study Pre-apprenticeship course with RMIT University not considered by Metlink as eligible for concession?  This course is not an apprenticeship whereby he would have to be employed to attend.  A Pre-apprenticeship is a ?short course? of full time study,

                                                                                                                                                                                           

-       why do the Department of Veterans? Affairs consider the Pre-apprenticeship course as full time study and pay Jarrad a Veterans? Children?s Education Allowance, (the equivalent to the Youth Allowance from Centrelink) when Metlink do not consider this course for a concession,

 

-       why should Jarrad be penalized for receiving an allowance from the Department of Veterans? Affairs, which does not grant him a Health Care Card, as opposed to receiving a Youth Allowance from Centrelink and being entitled to a Health Care Card which would enable him to get the Metlink Concession Card?

 

I feel that my being a TPI Veteran is prejudicing my son Jarrad an entitlement to a Metlink Concession Card that he would otherwise be entitled to if he were receiving Youth Allowance from Centrelink instead of an allowance  being paid by the Department of Veteran?s Affairs.

 

Why should Jarrad have to pay full fare for another 7 days plus, this being the time Metlink have told us it will take to consider if he is entitled to the concession or not?

 

Would the Minister for Transport recommend that my son Jarrad refuse his entitlement by the Veterans? Children Education Scheme paid by the Department of Veteran?s Affairs which does not entitle him to a Metlink Concession Card and apply for Youth Allowance from Centrelink which he would receive a Health Care Card giving him access to a Metlink Concession Card.

 

Why should Jarrad be refused this Metlink Concession Card because his father is a TPI Veteran?

 

Yours faithfully,

Greg Mitchell

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« Reply #24 on: Friday,June 22, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: AVADSC Council ; Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

Cc: Main Veterans List

Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: AVADSC 'LIST OF CONCERNS'


From: Matheson Family
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: Fw: AVADSC 'LIST OF CONCERNS'


The AVADSC "List of concerns" lobbed in my mail box this morning (you will note that they have now taken it off their website).

This is an example of gross indolence by an Ex-Service Organisation, the Government has not undertaken to conduct a study into the health of Vietnam  veterans children.


Please read Minister Billson's media release;

 http://minister.dva.gov.au/media_releases/2006/09_sep/va096.htm to see the real facts, all that I can see is that the Minister has done his best to confound the findings of "The feasibility of a study into the health of the children of Vietnam veterans" 

http://www.dva.gov.au/adf/health/docs/Final_Report.pdf

by sidetracking their findings to the 'Centre for Military and Veterans Health (CMVH) http://www.uq.edu.au/cmvh/

David Matheson
President, COVVHS

http://www.svsg.org.au/links.htm
www.covvhs.org.au

19h Edition ? 6 March 2007

'LIST OF CONCERNS'

 

1.This list has been developed by the Australian Veterans and Defence Services Council, (AVADSC), NSW Advisory Committee. It was initiated in 2002 to record matters raised during the development of the Military Rehabilitation and Compensation Act at meetings of Ex-Service representatives in the Department of Veterans' Affairs (DVA) Canberra during 2002/3. Other matters of concern from before and after this time have been added and continue to be added.

 

This edition now includes Legacy and R&SL (for the 2007/8 Budget) concerns along with the effects of the 2006/7 Federal Budget and details of the short comings of Defence Force Superannuation provisions highlighting the need for a complete review.

 

2.Amongst the 20 odd changes and additions in this issue, are the following new items:

Access Card concerns

Centre for Military and Veterans? Health initiatives

National Ex-Service round table on Aged Care input

Therapeutic and remedial massage availability Insurance cover for ESOs

 

3.      Attempts to group the items continue as listed below, while recognising some could come under more than one heading.

 

Your comments by e-mail would be most welcome to: John.Haynes1@defence.gov.au, or: Building 96 Victoria Barracks, Paddington NSW 2021, phone: (02) 9339 3209.
 

 

?        The drift to Civil norms

 

?        Indexation

 

Veterans' Entitlement Act (VEA)

Military Rehabilitation and Compensation Act (MRCA)

?        Carers

?        Dependents

?        ADF general issues

 

?        ADF superannuation

ADF housing schemes

?        Reserve Forces

 

Commemorations

 

34.  HEALTH STUDY FOR DESCENDANTS OF VIETNAM VETERANS

 

The Government is to conduct a study of the health of Vietnam Veterans' children.

We await the results and note grandchildren are not included in the study.

 

*Action by: VVF, R&SL 
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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday,June 19, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL ; Nat Coordinator Program ASIST ; President Pioneer-Fitzroy-Highlands RSL District ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; Capricornia RSL Sub Branch List

Cc: Federal Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List ; Ian McPhedran News Ltd ; Paul Dyer Journo News Limited ; Sasha Uzunov Freelance Journo ; Edith Bevan Journo ; Mike Carey SBS ; Paul Cutler SBS ; Hugo Kelly Journo ; Paul Murray ; Alison Rehn Journo ; Qld Courier Mail Editor ; Frank Walker Fairfax ; Michael McKenna Australian ; Neil Wilson Herald Journo ; Michael Bailey Radio 4RO

Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Vietnam vets 'passing on mental problems' (PerthNow Article)


From: Ted McEvoy
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: Vietnam vets 'passing on mental problems' (PerthNow Article)


Vietnam vets 'passing on mental problems'
By Jessica Marszalek

June 19, 2007 01:08pm

VIETNAM veterans are passing on post-traumatic stress disorder to their children and grandchildren in the form of behavioural and anxiety disorders, a university academic says.

Queensland University of Technology PhD student Ken O'Brien said not enough research had been done on how the traumas of war were being passed on to children via parenting styles, social factors and even genetics.

Mr O'Brien, who is from the university's School of Social Change Research and is the son of a Vietnam veteran, is studying the phenomenon, which he says is widespread.

He said it was causing attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), autism, Asperger's syndrome and depressive and anxiety conditions in children and grandchildren.

"They are the uncounted casualties of Vietnam because they're the lost legacy, they've inherited the conditions of this war without having to experience the war itself," Mr O'Brien said.

He said children responded to living in a stressed environment if their parents were coping with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), often suffered by Vietnam veterans.

But he said behavioural problems also could be passed on in genes with a stressful event switching on or off a gene, or series of genes, that is then passed onto subsequent generations.

He said almost no research had been done on the phenomenon, which was leading to misdiagnosis and mismanagement of disorders.

"We know what PTSD looks like in a Vietnam vet, that's been well and truly studied," he said.

"But we don't know what PTSD looks like in the next generation.

"We could be looking at ADHD and saying 'oh that's ADHD' when really it's PTSD as it's evolved because a condition evolves as culture and society evolves."

He said he believed the research would be a life-long pursuit but he would have findings to report in a year, which he hoped could be used for better diagnosis by practitioners.

Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia national president Ron Coxon agreed families were suffering.

He said children mirrored the way their fathers reacted to situations.

"And I believe that the mother, because she's in a situation where she's walking on eggshells, she starts to develop the same sort of symptoms as well," Mr Coxon said.

"We've got to remember that deaths by suicide amongst Vietnam veteran's children is three times higher than the average.

"Deaths by accident is five times higher than the average and so there is obvious some mental health problems going on with the children of Vietnam veterans."


Alternatively, you can cut and paste this link into your browser:

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21931712-5005361,00.html
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday,May 31, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL

Cc: Main Veterans List

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:48 PM
Subject: VIETNAM VETS KIDS HEALTH STUDY


From: Robert Brandt [Pundit]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:21 PM


From: Pine Rivers District RSL S/B
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:42 AM






From: Matheson Family
To: David Matheson (Bendigo)
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: CMVH [TOBECLASSIFIED] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


Hello all,


Two weeks ago, the CMVH put out an invitation for volunteers from the Vietnam veteran community to  test their protocol questions, I.e. check that the stakeholders understood what they were being asked.



This invitation was responded to by a large number of veterans and their families.  We have been communicating with both the CMVH and the DVA about the misunderstanding and would appreciate you taking the time to read the following (and attached in PDF) letter from the Director of the CMVH.



One  thing to come from this exercise, is the magnitude of genuine concern expressed by so many from the Vietnam veteran community, for the health of their children.



Many thanks,

Sue Parker                                                                        David Matheson

PVA National Children's Health                                       President, COVVHS


http://www.svsg.org.au/links.htm

www.covvhs.org.au

CMVH has had a wonderful response for volunteers to help us in obtaining feedback on the methodology for the health study for children of Vietnam veterans. Veterans have responded from all over Australia.

Unfortunately the call that went out did not make it clear that CMVH only need about 30 volunteers from the Townsville area to help at this Stage. The purpose of these meetings is to check that veterans and their families can understand the questionnaires that are being considered and to get their feedback.

CMVH appreciates the large number of offers of help, but can not accept more offers than are needed. To do so would mean that the end of June deadline for the report to the Department of Veterans' Affairs would not be met.

As soon as possible after the completion of this phase of the project, information will be provided to the Consultative Forum from the prior Feasibility Study and the veteran community.

CMVH would sincerely like to apologise if veterans have been inconvenienced and assures the veterans community that the CMVH values the interest and commitment of the veteran community to developing this health study.

If you are in the Townsville area and would like to participate in the pre-testing please contact Margaret Cherry on 07 3346 4882 or mail to:m.cherry@uq.edu.au
Kind Regards,

Niki Ellis

Director, Centre Military and Veterans Health, University of

Queensland.


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« Reply #21 on: Friday,May 25, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

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From: Hilton, Rod (A. Griffin, MP)
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:08 PM
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ALAN GRIFFIN, MP

Shadow Minister for Veterans' Affairs
Shadow Minister for Defence Science and Personnel



FEDERAL LABOR COMMITTED TO A STUDY INTO THE HEALTH OF CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS

Alan Griffin, Shadow Minister for Veterans? Affairs, announced today that a study into the health of the children of Vietnam veterans would be conducted under a Rudd Labor Government. 

It is already known that children of Vietnam veterans have a suicide rate three times higher than other children.  It is also known that they suffer from spina bifida manifesta, cleft lip, cleft palate, adrenal gland cancer or acute myeloid leukaemia.

At the 2004 election Labor was committed to the conduct of a study.  Today?s announcement reaffirms that commitment.

At the last election the Howard Government refused to commit to a study, instead committing only to a feasibility study ? essentially, a study into a study. Never before has a feasibility study been required for any of the health studies by the Department of Veterans? Affairs.

After a long and drawn-out process, the feasibility study was conducted and it found that a study was feasible and very worth while.

Despite this, the Government decided to do yet another preliminary study on possible research protocols. Never before has a study had to be conducted into the development of research protocols separate from the actual study.

The Government has been buying time and not action on this issue.  In responses to questions on notice and questions at the last two estimates hearings, the department has refused to say if a study is now guaranteed.

If the Government finally commits to a study before the election Labor will fully support them.  However, if they continue to refuse to commit the Veterans community will at least know that such a study will proceed under a Rudd Labor Government. 

BALLARAT
May 25 2007
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From: Keith Tennent

To: Dr Rod Bain ; EDA President ; RSL Nat President ; Capricornia RSL President ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; TVille VVFA ; Qld VVFA ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; WA TPI ; ACT TPI ; PVA Secretary ; ACT RSL ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; RSL National ; NSW RSL ; NSW TPI ; Queensland RSL ; TPI Federation ; Vic TPI ; Victorian RSL ; VVFA National ; WA RSL

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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:14 PM
Subject: Vietnam Veterans - Sons & Daughters Health Study [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


From: Gordon Traill
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:12 AM
Subject:Vietnam Veterans - Sons & Daughters Health Study [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


Hi Anne,
Gordon Traill here from APPVA. Can you supply a written page or flyer of what you are wanting ESO's to do for this study? APPVA magazine is due for proof reading very soon. If the magazine deadline is too late, our Membership Secretary can send the information to our members via email.
Cheers


Gordon Traill

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From: Matheson Family
To: David Matheson (Bendigo)
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Fw: Vietnam Veterans - Sons & Daughters Health Study [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


URGENT, IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM COVVHS AND PVA

Hello all
For years we have been hearing from members of the Veteran community as to how they can help a health study of the sons and daughters of both Vietnam veterans and all veterans.



NOW IS THE TIME FOR ACTION!!



The email below and attachments provides a great opportunity to have input into the study of  the health of sons and daughters of veterans.



The Centre for Military and Veterans Health (CMVH) is developing a protocol for the study and indicated previously that they would be testing that protocol with sons and daughters in May 2007.



COVVHS, PVA and other Ex-Service Organisations have been seeking a study for many years.



PLEASE PHONE THE CONTACT PERSON ASAP AND SEE HOW YOU CAN PROVIDE INPUT INTO THE STUDY.

Contact person is    Dr Ruth McLauchlin    (07) 3346 4960 or email care of  cmvhenquiries@eq.edu.au

COVVHS would appreciate knowing about any difficulties in contacting Dr McLauchlin via our contact form on the links below.



Sue Parker                                                         David Matheson

PVA, National Children's Health                       President, COVVHS

http://www.covvhs.org.au/
http://www.svsg.org.au/links.htm



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Subject: Vietnam Veterans - Sons & Daughters Health Study [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



Could you distribute to your members / clients / interested parties.

Please find attached an invitation to participate in a discussion regarding the health of sons and daughters of Vietnam Veterans.

The Centre for Military and Veterans Health (CMVH) is conducting this study. 
Also attached is the background information for interested participants.

The discussion will be held during the week beginning 28th May 2007.
Should you have any queries regarding this matter, please direct them to CMVH - Dr Ruth McLaughlin 07 3346 4960.

<<background for participants_draft_10.05.2007.doc>> <<Invitation to attend - Intergen Albany Creek Gang.doc>>
Kind Regards

Patrice Meers Office Manager
VVCS - Veterans & Veterans Families Counselling Service
Townsville
Department of Veteransʼ Affairs
Ph (07) 4723 9155  Fax (07) 4723 9149

A service founded by Vietnam veterans

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« Reply #19 on: Monday,April 02, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: WA RSL ; VVFA National ; Victorian RSL ; Vic TPI ; TPI Federation ; Tas RSL ; SA RSL ; Queensland RSL ; NSW TPI ; NSW RSL ; RSL National ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; ACT RSL ; PVA Secretary ; ACT TPI ; WA TPI ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; Qld VVFA ; TVille VVFA ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; PVA President ; Capricornia RSL President ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; RSL Nat President ; EDA President ; Qld TPI Assoc ; Dr Rod Bain

Cc: Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:51 PM
Subject: THE VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY PEOPLE AGREE WITH THE SHADOW DVA MINISTER


COMMENT.
The Shadow Minister's newsletter has already been sent to this list, so I am not including it in this email. Please refer to your files for the newsletter.

From: Matheson Family

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: Fw: Veterans' Affairs Newsletter



Hello all,
Please see excerpt below from the Shadow Minister for Veterans Affairs, Mr Alan Griffin?s Veterans Affairs Newsletter, (page 4 of attached).

 

?Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study?

 

?In response to questions at the last two Senate Estimates it appears the families of Vietnam Veterans? face yet another hurdle. The Government is refusing to say that a study into Children of Vietnam Veterans is guaranteed.



Veterans? Affairs Department Secretary Mark Sullivan said: ?We are expending this money in the hope and expectation that the CMVH will provide us with some methodologies and advice which will help ? through the Minister ? the Government to determine whether it can conduct such a study?.



It is important to point out that never before have so many preliminary studies been required before a government will commit to a full study. There should be no reason why the Government can not commit. The Feasibility study has clearly stated that a full study could proceed.



Labor has called on the Minister to immediately guarantee this study be undertaken?

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I certainly share Alan?s comments and concerns!



Labor are to be congratulated for publically affirming their comments from the past to adopt the Childrens Study into their manifesto, that the study will proceed without interference should they win the next election.

Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS




From: Griffin, Alan (MP)
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Veterans' Affairs Newsletter



Please find attached a copy of the March 2007 edition of my Veterans' Affairs Newsletter.

The aim of the newsletter is to provide an alternative news service to veterans across the nation.

If you would like to contribute in any way, or make suggestions about content, please contact me.

The newsletter is in a format that is easy to email, print and make copies.

Kind regards,

Alan Griffin MP
Shadow Minister for Veterans' Affairs
Federal Member for Bruce
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« Reply #18 on: Tuesday,March 27, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: WA RSL ; VVFA National ; Victorian RSL ; Vic TPI ; TPI Federation ; Tas RSL ; SA RSL ; Queensland RSL ; NSW TPI ; NSW RSL ; RSL National ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; ACT RSL ; PVA Secretary ; ACT TPI ; WA TPI ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; Qld VVFA ; TVille VVFA ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; PVA President ; Capricornia RSL President ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; RSL Nat President ; EDA President ; Qld TPI Assoc ; Dr Rod Bain

Cc: Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List ; Ian McPhedran News Ltd ; Paul Dyer Journo News Limited ; Sasha Uzunov Freelance Journo ; Edith Bevan Journo ; Mike Carey SBS ; Paul Cutler SBS ; Hugo Kelly Journo ; Paul Murray ; Alison Rehn Journo ; Qld Courier Mail Editor ; Frank Walker Fairfax ; Michael McKenna Australian ; Neil Wilson Herald Sun

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT STALLING ON THE VIETAM VETS KIDS HEALTH STUDY?



From: Matheson Family anne@netcon.net.au
Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2007 2:12 PM
To: David Matheson (Bendigo)
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study (COVVHS)

 

Hello all,

We are sure that all those members of the Veteran community watching and waiting for the next step in the Children?s health study to be completed and sent to the Minister, are as frustrated as all COVVHS members are.

 

Here we are just out from another election,  and we have achieved very little other than questionable promises!!

At least the former Minister for Veteran Affairs, Mrs. Danna Vale, actually did something to get this health study underway.

 

Since the eminent members of the Scientific Advisory Committee, from the Feasibility study, (which Mrs. Vale made funds available), advised that such a study was both feasible and worthy of doing and would deliver information not presently known about families of veterans, we have had nothing but stalling tactics from the current Minister and his department.

 

Why does the government have data on families from many other population groups in Australia, but none on Veterans? Are we so insignificant a group of Australians?

 

Does Minister Billson not remember this is an election year? He may lose his portfolio but the Heads of DVA advising him will still have their well paid positions?

 

It has recently been in the news that government is about to spend  millions$ on recruitment advertising. Would some of that money not be better spent delivering a better quality of life to veterans and their families? A life after service where veterans get what they deserve and have sacrificed for, without having to fight the government and be made to feel like second rate citizens?

 

This is a reasonable request!  People enter Politics, to do good for their country, but also aware that the retirement benefits are VERY good. Well when our vital young offer their lives to their country to fight for our freedom and that of other people in this world, shouldn?t they receive similar retirement benefits?

I don?t believe a Member of Parliament has sacrificed his life for his country like our service people are expected to do each day they are in the forces!

 

 

"The willingness of future generations to serve in our military will be directly dependent upon how we have treated those who have served in the past".
--George Washington

 

If this really was said by George Washington?it is still so current today. What a shame that in the preceding hundreds of years our Politicians have learnt so little?

 

Kind regards,

David Matheson

President

http://www.covvhs.org.au/

http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/carryon/web/COVVHSindex.html
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday,March 22, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: WA RSL ; VVFA National ; Victorian RSL ; Vic TPI ; TPI Federation ; Tas RSL ; SA RSL ; Queensland RSL ; NSW TPI ; NSW RSL ; RSL National ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; ACT RSL ; PVA Secretary ; ACT TPI ; WA TPI ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; Qld VVFA ; TVille VVFA ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; PVA President ; Capricornia RSL President ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; RSL Nat President ; EDA President ; Qld TPI Assoc ; Dr Rod Bain

Cc: Royal Aust GP Mental Health ; Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List ; AMA

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY MEMBERS CONCERNED ABOUT PROPRIETY OF CENTRE FOR MILITARY AND VETERAN HEALTH


From: J & A Hevey
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY MEMBERS COMCERNED ABOUT PROPRIETY OF CENTRE FORMILITARY AND VETERAN HEALTH


David

I would, if I may, echo Keith's sentiments.  Additionally, the Minister for Medals Monuments and Museums, had the power to commission an impartial and searching inquiry into the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study from the outset, as was and remains the contention of some very eminent medicos in this field in this country, as I alluded to many many months ago.

Forgive me when I say, that the Minister for Medals Monuments and Museums is having a lend of us all on this issue.  However,  the simple facts are that a token recognition of the broader issue coupled with a raft of motherhood statements will be the net out come of the current study.

As an aside David, and for the benefit of yourself and you COVVHS Colleagues, I speak as a father of two overseas adopted children (Hong Kong) (a fertility issue associated with my wife), and one who supports the very essence of your every attempt to have this matter brought out into the open.

Regards
The Great Garibaldi

From: Keith Tennent
To: WA RSL ; VVFA National ; Victorian RSL ; Vic TPI ; TPI Federation ; Tas RSL ; SA RSL ; Queensland RSL ; NSW TPI ; NSW RSL ; RSL National ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; ACT RSL ; PVA Secretary ; ACT TPI ; WA TPI ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; Qld VVFA ; TVille VVFA ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; PVA President ; Capricornia RSL President ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; RSL Nat President ; EDA President ; Qld TPI Assoc ; Dr Rod Bain
Cc: AMA ; Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List ; Royal Aust GP Mental Health
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY MEMBERS COMCERNED ABOUT PROPRIETY OF CENTRE FORMILITARY AND VETERAN HEALTH


COMMENT.

David there has been concern for some time in some ESO areas, as you may know, about the impartiality and commitment of this Centre.

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From: Matheson Family
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Australian article


Hello Keith,

The CMVH (Centre for Military and Veteran Health) is a department of the University of Queensland and has been handed the "Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study" by Minister Billson.

The attachment shows why there is angst in the veterans community about how the children's study is to be done considering that the UQ appears to reward criminal behaviour.

David Matheson

http://www.covvhs.org.au/
http://www.svsg.org.au
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday,March 22, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent


To: WA RSL ; VVFA National ; Victorian RSL ; Vic TPI ; TPI Federation ; Tas RSL ; SA RSL ; Queensland RSL ; NSW TPI ; NSW RSL ; RSL National ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; ACT RSL ; PVA Secretary ; ACT TPI ; WA TPI ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; Qld VVFA ; TVille VVFA ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; PVA President ; Capricornia RSL President ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; RSL Nat President ; EDA President ; Qld TPI Assoc ; Dr Rod Bain

Cc: Royal Aust GP Mental Health ; AMA ; Parliamentary List ; Main Veterans List

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: VV KIDS HEALTH STUDY MEMBERS COMCERNED ABOUT PROPRIETY OF CENTRE FOR MILITARY AND VETERAN HEALTH


COMMENT.

David there has been concern for some time in some ESO areas, as you may know, about the impartiality and commitment of this Centre.

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From: Matheson Family
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Australian article


Hello Keith,

The CMVH (Centre for Military and Veteran Health) is a department of the University of Queensland and has been handed the "Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study" by Minister Billson.

The attachment shows why there is angst in the veterans community about how the children's study is to be done considering that the UQ appears to reward criminal behaviour.

David Matheson

http://www.covvhs.org.au/
http://www.svsg.org.au


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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday,March 06, 2007 »

Peoples


Where are the so called peak ESO's, namely the RSoL and the VVAA on this issue?.

It is strange is it not, that neither of these fully representative Veterans bodies have had the guts to come out publicly and take the issue up with the Minister for Medals Monuments and Museums.

The National bodies of each of the above organisation's should be hanging their heads in shame at their innaction.  I only hope that the mothers of those affected have the opportunity at some future time to round out on these individuals, for what they have not done over yet another travesty.

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday,March 06, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: Main Veterans List

Cc: WA RSL ; VVFA National ; Victorian RSL ; Vic TPI ; TPI Federation ; Tas RSL ; SA RSL ; Queensland RSL ; NSW TPI ; NSW RSL ; RSL National ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; ACT RSL ; PVA Secretary ; ACT TPI ; WA TPI ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; Qld VVFA ; TVille VVFA ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; PVA President ; Capricornia RSL President ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; RSL Nat President ; EDA President

Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Review of 2006 for the 'Children of Vietnam Veterans Health StudyInc' (COVVHS)


From: Bodey L & R

To: Keith Tennent

Cc: Bruce (Minister for V.A.) Billson ; Alan (Shadow Minister) Griffin ; David Matheson

Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Review of 2006 for the 'Children of Vietnam Veterans Health StudyInc' (COVVHS)


One thing I have never been able to understand is why these government appointed so-called "experts" are all theorists.

 

They only know what they read in books and what other theorists tell them.

 

Their group is nothing but an incestuous circle of mutual back scratchers who are adept at leeching on the government purse.

 

I doubt if many of them have ever actually spoken to someone who actually suffers from PTSD or has children who suffer from Agent Orange related illnesses.

 

If you really want to have a board of REAL experts then why not have representation by people who have actual first hand exposure to these afflictions.

 

If any government was fair dinkum it would sack these "expert posers" and replace them with honest people who either, suffer personally, or have genuine "hands-on" experience in these matters.

 

LB
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday,March 06, 2007 »

From: Keith Tennent

To: WA RSL ; VVFA National ; Victorian RSL ; Vic TPI ; TPI Federation ; Tas RSL ; SA RSL ; Queensland RSL ; NSW TPI ; NSW RSL ; RSL National ; Barry Billing NSW VVAA ; ACT RSL ; PVA Secretary ; ACT TPI ; WA TPI ; PVA Research and Benefits Member ; Qld VVFA ; TVille VVFA ; VVAA Sunshine Coast ; PVA President ; Capricornia RSL President ; Capricornia RSL Secretary ; RSL Nat President ; EDA President

Cc: Main Veterans List

Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:20 AM
Subject: Review of 2006 for the 'Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc' (COVVHS)


COMMENT.

 I am simply passing this on as requested. I know little of the issues surrounding the kids health study. If you have any questions regarding this email, please direct them to David Matheson [ Matheson Family ]. I would make one comment. The payout by the chemical companies in the 80's was NOT made to the children of Vietnam Veterans. That Australian money was paid as compensation to Australian Vietnam Veterans.

Keith.



From: Matheson Family

To: Alan Griffin ; B.Billson.MP@aph.gov.au

Cc: Rod Hilton ; Rod Bain

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:08 PM

Subject: Fw: Review of 2006 for the 'Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc' (COVVHS)

 

Hello all,

I have been asked by a PVA member to forward this on, I have forwarded it to MP's and bcc'd to my email list,

Regards,

David Matheson

 

From: Les and Anita Finger

To: Matheson Family

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:49 PM

Subject: FW: Review of 2006 for the 'Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc' (COVVHS)

 

Hi David & Shirley

 

I Have been requested to forward this response to a Victorian Vietnam Veterans Group.  Can you please forward it to the best association.

 

Regards

 

Anita & Les Finger

 

 


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From: John Morris jonmorri@ihug.com.au

Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 2:31 PM
To: 'Les and Anita Finger'
Subject: RE: Review of 2006 for the 'Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc' (COVVHS)

 

Hi Les and Anita,

            I have read the questioning via Hansard and have a number of items that I believe the Vietnam Veterans Association would like to or should review in depth.

 

1.    The review on Veterans Children from the Vietnam War is in part complete due to the issuing of the monies from Monsanto Chemicals plus other Companies over the Agent Orange poisoning of veterans and the affect on their immediate children. I would suggest that should it come out that this is not a war caused association then the Chemical companies might like to review and maybe chase and regain monies paid under that court case?  Worth hundreds of millions to them. And a big rod for our backs or the Government to pay it back?



2.     The Government via its obligation under their Duty of Care and Contractual procedures via the Constitution and the Army Act as it was applied have already agreed that a problem exists under the awarding the payments made under the Agent Orange Case.  Accordingly the further assessments made by a competent Authority of very professional standing is a further compelling evidence of and in support of the findings of the Agent Orange Case.



3.    The Public Servant who was interview by the standing committee should be removed for failing to answer even in a closed recorded response to the standing committee whose task it is to find the correct answer’s as delegated by the People of Australia via their Parliamentary Representatives who comprised this committee.  After all a Public Servant is answerable to the Public in this case even if it be in the Public’s interest not to be released for common knowledge, the standing committee is acting on our behalf.



4.    It is clear that the Department has been told to reduce spending and with the up surge of further claims from the veterans of the current and previous conflicts since Vietnam, the Department does not need to have is terms of reference and claimants widen to include the deformity of children of veterans due to the likes of Agent Orange and other chemicals that have been use by us or the other side since.  However the range and use is disastrous both on veterans and their children as has been proven over the last 20 odd years by the children of Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand and USA to name a few.



Could you please forward this to the Victorian Vietnam Veterans Association for their comment or action?

 

Putting that aside hope this finds you well and enjoying life. Have a healthy, wealthy and great 2007 and I’ll catch up with you later.

 

Kindest Regards

            John ‘GI’ & Ros Morris

 

 

 

From: Matheson Family anne@netcon.net.au

Sent: Monday, 8 January 2007 12:01 PM
To: David Matheson (Bendigo)
Subject: Review of 2006 for the 'Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc' (COVVHS)
Importance: High

 

 

 

Review of 2006 for the ‘Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc’ (COVVHS)

 

On the 23 January 2006 (one year ago) the combined Consultative Committee and Scientific Advisory Committee informed the Department of Veteran Affairs that a study into the health of children of Vietnam veterans is feasible. 

In addition, the committee was of the view that there would be substantial scientific merit in such a study, let alone the moral obligation. The benefit of the study is that it would finally address the concerns of the veterans’ community about their children. 

As most will be aware the feasibility study was conducted as a result of intensive lobbying by both groups and individuals in the veteran community.  The Consultative committee was represented by several ex-service organisations (ESO’s) and an adult son and daughter of a Vietnam veteran.  Furthermore, the Scientific Advisory committee membership included some of the most respected and experienced members of the Australian scientific community. 

Unfortunately, Minister Billson appears to be ignoring the advice provided by the feasibility study. 

The Minister, in line with the Department of Veterans Affairs chief public servants, has chosen to revisit whether a health study is feasible or not. This question has just been answered, but yet the Department wastes time and funds in asking the question again. This time they have brought the Centre for Military and Veterans Health (CMVH) into the equation, to investigate the findings of the recently completed Feasibility Study into a Health Study of the Children of Vietnam Veterans (http://www.dva.gov.au/adf/health/docs/Final_Report.pdf). 

The CMVH cannot be called an independent group and with all due respect to its professionals, they lack the experience, skills or credentials of the previous Scientific Committee. 

Why revisit the same question unless the Department did not get the answer it was seeking. 

To see the contempt that senior Repat bureaucrats hold for the veterans community click on this Senate Estimates link and scroll down to page 113 http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/S9780.pdf   

COVVHS (and I believe also the Partners of Veterans Association (PVA)) has sought a lay position on the newly formed Advisory Panel on Intergenerational Effects, see media release at; http://minister.dva.gov.au/media_releases/2006/10_oct/va117.htm and the CMVH, the emphatic response has been negative, lay people from the veterans community are not needed or wanted by the Repatriation Commission and the government; is it a case of we know what’s best for you? Apparently this is no place for a parent or an adult child of a Vietnam veteran!  The above will ensure that agenda's remain hidden!

Numbers appear to be all that governments worry about; COVVHS has an email list of 29,400 (self registered on our web site) plus media, politicians, ESO’s, etc we cannot and will not allow bureaucratic waffle and spin to go unchallenged.

Governments would do well to understand that the internet has changed how information is shared and obtained by the community.  There will be a Federal election within the next year (probably only months away), now is the time to get a firm positive commitment about the Children’s Study, after the election is too late!

To the ESO members; this study will happen whether in Australia, NZ, Canada, USA, UK, etc, please make sure that your organisation is at the forefront of pursuing this matter. Results for the members are the measurement of competency that you ought to apply to your executive.

Please forward this email onto any Vietnam veteran and their family’s that you know; they need to be aware of what the government is (not) doing for their children’s health.

Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS

http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/carryon/web/COVVHSindex.html

http://www.covvhs.org.au/
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From: Keith Tennent

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Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:13 AM

Subject: SHADOW VETERANS AFFAIRS MINISTER SAYS NO REASON WHY GOVERNMENT CAN'T CONDUCT KIDS HEALTH STUDY...NOW


From: Hilton, Rod (A. Griffin, MP)
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:07 AM
Subject: ALAN GRIFFIN - PARLIAMENTARY SPEECH - CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS' HEALTH STUDY - 1 MARCH 2007


STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study


Speech


Mr GRIFFIN (Bruce) (9.30 a.m.)—I rise today to speak about the current situation regarding the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study. At the last election the Howard government refused to commit to a study, instead committing only to a feasibility study. Never before has a feasibility study been required for any of the health studies by the Department of Veterans’ Affairs. After a long and drawn-out process, the feasibility study was conducted. The results of this study were clear: (1) a study was feasible and very worth while and (2) a pilot study should be completed.

The Minister for Veterans’ Affairs said that he did not like the findings of the feasibility study, as they had recommended a study into children of only male Army Vietnam veterans. However, the minister neglected to mention that the reasons for this were fully explained in the feasibility study itself. We also have learnt from responses to questions that the department received no complaints from any veterans organisations that this format would be a problem. Furthermore, the department has revealed that they received no scientific or expert advice that such a study would be unreasonable. Therefore, it seems that it was the minister and the minister alone who had these concerns.

Despite this, the government refused to commit to a study or even a pilot study. Instead, they wanted yet another preliminary study to try to determine possible research protocols. It should be noted that never before in the history of veterans’ health studies in this country has a study had to be conducted into the development of research protocols separate from an actual study. Obviously, if the government had committed to a full study, they could have developed research protocols as part of this. However, the government are refusing to commit to a study.

In responses to questions on notice and questions at the last two estimates hearings, the department has refused to say a study is now guaranteed. At the last estimates hearings Mr Sullivan said:

We are expending this money in the hope and expectation that the CMVH will provide us with some methodologies and advice which will help—through the minister—the government to determine whether it can conduct such a study.

My simple question is: why? The independent feasibility study has already found that a study is feasible; therefore, there is no reason why this government cannot commit right now to a study. Instead, we are now waiting for the results of yet another preliminary study which, we are told, will be handed to the department on 30 June 2007. Given the current minister’s form when it comes to time taken to consider reviews, we will be lucky to have a firm commitment on this before the next election.

There are two things that should be clearly understood by the veterans community: (1) there is no reason why the government cannot commit to a study right now and (2) the department has repeatedly failed to give a guarantee that a study will actually take place. I call on the minister to make a public commitment that this government will conduct a full study. If he will not do this, I call on him to come clean with the veterans community and explain that the government is unwilling to commit to this very important study. The people should have no doubt and the parliament should understand that the health of the children of Vietnam veterans is a serious issue—for example, they have three times the suicide rate of the general community. (Time expired)
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This issue has gone on for years. Back in the early 80s it was promised and has been stalled ever since. Just another example of politicians lies.
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From: Matheson Family
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Below, pasted and link, is the minutes of the teleconference held by Harrington, et al.

This teleconference is where the powers that be TOLD the veterans community what was going to happen, without any recourse.
Regards,
David

http://www.covvhs.org.au/


http://www.dva.gov.au/adf/health_studies/minutes/20061214_%20briefing_teleconference_minutes.doc


Teleconference Briefing on the Development of a Research Protocol Investigating the Intergenerational Health Effects of Military Service

 

3pm, 4 December 2006

 

Minutes

 

Attendees:

Peter Holz (Vietnam Veterans’ Federation of Australia)

Geoff Parker (COVVHS)

Sue Parker (Partners of Veterans Association)

Michael Perkins (Defence Community Organisation)

John Hopper (Director, Molecular, Environmental, Genetic and Analytical Epidemiology, University of Melbourne)

Rebekah Doley (Department of Defence)

Niki Ellis (Director, Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health)

Ruth McLaughlin (Research Fellow, Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health)

Pete Nasveld (Research Manager, Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health)

Simon Harrington (Repatriation Commissioner)

Barry Telford (General Manager, Policy and Development (DVA))

Adam Luckhurst (National Manager, Rehabilitation, Research and Development (DVA))

Eileen Wilson (Director, Strategic Research Development (DVA))

Julie Clark (Assistant Director, Strategic Research Development (DVA))

 

Absent:

John Methven (Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia)

John Vincent (TPI)

Anne Matheson (Sons and Daughters Program)

Rod Bain (Returned and Services League of Australia)

Anthony Marinac (Sons and Daughters Program)

Alexander (Sandy) McFarlane (Department of Psychiatry, University of Adelaide)

Paul Jelfs (Cancer Institute)

Hedley Peach

Margot Prior (Department of Psychology (University of Melbourne)

 

 

Proceedings

 

Simon Harrington opened the teleconference on behalf of DVA and provided an overview of the structure of the meeting.

 

Adam Luckhurst explained the background to the work being undertaken by CMVH.  In response to the Feasibility Study conducted by DVA in 2005, the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs committed to the development of a sound and workable research protocol to investigate the intergenerational health effects of military service, initially in the Vietnam War.  The research protocol will provide a plan for any potential health study into the health of the children of Vietnam veterans.  It is expected that CMVH will provide study hypotheses, a sampling strategy, a contact and recruitment strategy and an outline of data collection instruments.  The next step from the Feasibility Study is to work with scientists (especially methodologists) to develop a plan for any future health study on this matter.  The protocol would need to ensure that the study is valid, manages bias and confounders and is able to deliver meaningful results.

 

Adam Luckhurst also noted that the Advisory Panel on Intergenerational Effects (APIE) has been established to advise the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs and the Department on any pertinent findings from relevant academic literature.  Professor Elizabeth Waters has been appointed as Chair of this Panel.  DVA is currently working with Professor Waters to recruit eminent panel members from Australia and around the world.

 

Further information will be made available in regard to APIE and the development of the research protocol via DVA’s website (http://www.dva.gov.au/adf/health/adf_health_studies.htm).

 

Niki Ellis from the Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health (CMVH) briefed attendees on the Centre and the proposed work.  CMVH is a consortium between University of Queensland, University of Adelaide and Charles Darwin University. It aims to unite relevant expertise within the academic, Defence and DVA communities with a focus on health issues pertinent to serving and ex-serving personnel.

 

CMVH is coordinating the development of the research protocol.  The CMVH research team consists of Niki Ellis (Director), Pete Nasveld (Research Manager), Ruth McLaughlin (Research Fellow), Jacqui Beall (Research Assistant) and Anne Allica (Research Assistant).

 

Niki Ellis acknowledged and thanked the Scientific Advisory Committee (SAC) and the Consultative Forum (CF) for their input into the Feasibility Study.  From that work, there is awareness of the issues that need to be addressed in developing a sound scientific protocol that represents best practice and best science.  Niki Ellis emphasised that the development of the protocol needs to be an independent activity in order to ensure scientific rigour and avoid potential biases.

 

The research protocol will be developed by a team of experts:

Prof Annette Dobson (Head of the Division of Epidemiology  and Social Medicine)
Prof Terry Dwyer (Director, Murdoch Children’s Research Institute)
A/Prof Jane Halliday (Head, Public Health Genetics, Murdoch Children’s Research Institute)
Prof Jake Najman (Director, Queensland Alcohol and Drug Research and Education Unit)
Prof Michael Sawyer (Head, Research and Evaluation Unit, Youth and Women’s Health Service)
Prof Ann Taket (Director, Centre for Health through  Action on Social Exclusion (CHASE))
Prof Elizabeth Waters (Chair in Public Health, Deakin University)
 

The expert team will identify the research questions which, if answered, would address the issues raised by the relevant literature and the veteran community and are considered the most appropriate from a research point of view by the team. From there, the expert team will drive the development of the study methodology.

 

The entire protocol, including the contact and recruitment strategy and any developed data collection instruments will be pre-tested to determine if the protocol, processes and instruments are acceptable and practicable.  The intent of the pre-testing is to determine if the protocol, processes and instruments are acceptable and practicable and it will involve qualitative and quantitative research of the target audience with the study population and key stakeholders.

 

Niki Ellis indicated that the study plan would include both qualitative and quantitative components and the team would be looking at the balance of these within the protocol.

 

To date, the proposed members of the expert team have all accepted the invitation to be involved in this project. The literature review is currently being undertaken by Jacqui Beall and will be completed early 2007.  The expert team held their first meeting on 1 December 2006 to discuss the research questions and methodology. It is anticipated that the research questions and a scope of the literature review will be submitted to DVA in the coming months.

 

At the conclusion of the briefing by Niki Ellis, the following questions were asked:

 

Was the protocol development project put out to tender?

 

Barry Telford replied that the project had not been put out to tender because DVA has contractual arrangements with CMVH and the researchers at the Centre are experts in the field of military health.

 

The Feasibility Study had recommended that contact first be made with Vietnam veterans in order to identify and then recruit their children.  To prevent duplication of effort, it was requested that dialogue occur between the Feasibility Study SAC and the team of experts.

 

Barry Telford responded that the Feasibility Study provided the foundation stone for developing a research protocol.  However, it did not provide the next steps of determining how such a study could be run.  CMVH has been tasked to operationalise the work of the Feasibility Study.

 

Simon Harrington added that Alexander (Sandy) McFarlane is part of CMVH and will be available for advice on the thinking of the Feasibility Study SAC.

 

Would pre-testing provide an opportunity to refine the study?

 

Niki Ellis confirmed that there would be an opportunity for interested parties to provide input and there may be a need to make modifications to the research protocol following the pre-test.

 

How long will the health study take?

 

Niki Ellis replied that the research protocol was due to be delivered to DVA by the end of June 2007.  The pre-testing is scheduled for March and April 2007. The timeline for a health study will depend on the research protocol developed.

 

Simon Harrington added that the resultant research protocol would then need to be presented to the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs for consideration and go through the normal government processes for a response to its findings.

 

Barry Telford commented that a health study is not guaranteed at this stage as it depends on the results of the work being undertaken by CMVH and government priorities.

 

Sue Parker said that the Feasibility Study report had recommended that the health study of Vietnam veterans’ sons and daughters proceed; and that the associated Scientific Advisory Committee had concluded that it is feasible to undertake a health study and derive meaningful results. The Feasibility Study also provided information relating to study approach.

 

Adam Luckhurst indicated that the activities by CMVH were actually the process of defining a specific methodology, in contrast to the general approach outlined by the Feasibility Study report, in order to answer the research questions in a meaningful, reliable and robust manner.

 

Simon Harrington added that the Minister had decided to investigate the development of a methodology and not that a study will go ahead, until this work has been considered.

 

Why were only scientists working on developing the research protocol and asked if there will be a veteran representative involved?

 

Simon Harrington replied that there will not be a veteran representative directly involved as this protocol development phase is a purely scientific process.  Veterans’ views had been well represented during the course of the Feasibility Study which is the foundation from which CMVH is working.

 

Niki Ellis reiterated that the pre-testing will provide an opportunity for veteran input.

 

Would there be a veteran representative on APIE?

 

Adam Luckhurst explained that APIE was to comprise eminent academics only but there would be opportunities for discussions between APIE and veterans groups on various issues.

 

Simon Harrington added that veterans can influence the questions that are put to APIE.

 

With no further questions, the meeting was closed.
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Review of 2006 for the ‘Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Inc’ (COVVHS)
 

On the 23 January 2006 (one year ago) the combined Consultative Committee and Scientific Advisory Committee informed the Department of Veteran Affairs that a study into the health of children of Vietnam veterans is feasible. 



 

In addition, the committee was of the view that there would be substantial scientific merit in such a study, let alone the moral obligation. The benefit of the study is that it would finally address the concerns of the veterans’ community about their children. 

As most will be aware the feasibility study was conducted as a result of intensive lobbying by both groups and individuals in the veteran community.  The Consultative committee was represented by several ex-service organisations (ESO’s) and an adult son and daughter of a Vietnam veteran.  Furthermore, the Scientific Advisory committee membership included some of the most respected and experienced members of the Australian scientific community. 

 

Unfortunately, Minister Billson appears to be ignoring the advice provided by the feasibility study. 



The Minister, in line with the Department of Veterans Affairs chief public servants, has chosen to revisit whether a health study is feasible or not. This question has just been answered, but yet the Department wastes time and funds in asking the question again. This time they have brought the Centre for Military and Veterans Health (CMVH) into the equation, to investigate the findings of the recently completed Feasibility Study into a Health Study of the Children of Vietnam Veterans

(http://www.dva.gov.au/adf/health/docs/Final_Report.pdf). 



The CMVH cannot be called an independent group and with all due respect to its professionals, they lack the experience, skills or credentials of the previous Scientific Committee. 





Why revisit the same question unless the Department did not get the answer it was seeking. 





To see the contempt that senior Repat bureaucrats hold for the veterans community click on this Senate Estimates link and scroll down to page 113

http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/S9780.pdf   

COVVHS (and I believe also the Partners of Veterans Association (PVA)) has sought a lay position on the newly formed Advisory Panel on Intergenerational Effects, see media release at;

http://minister.dva.gov.au/media_releases/2006/10_oct/va117.htm

and

the CMVH, the emphatic response has been negative, lay people from the veterans community are not needed or wanted by the Repatriation Commission and the government; is it a case of we know what’s best for you? Apparently this is no place for a parent or an adult child of a Vietnam veteran!  The above will ensure that agenda's remain hidden!





Numbers appear to be all that governments worry about; COVVHS has an email list of 29,400 (self registered on our web site) plus media, politicians, ESO’s, etc we cannot and will not allow bureaucratic waffle and spin to go unchallenged.





Governments would do well to understand that the internet has changed how information is shared and obtained by the community.  There will be a Federal election within the next year (probably only months away), now is the time to get a firm positive commitment about the Children’s Study, after the election is too late!





To the ESO members; this study will happen whether in Australia, NZ, Canada, USA, UK, etc, please make sure that your organisation is at the forefront of pursuing this matter. Results for the members are the measurement of competency that you ought to apply to your executive.





Please forward this email onto any Vietnam veteran and their family’s that you know; they need to be aware of what the government is (not) doing for their children’s health.



Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS

http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/carryon/web/COVVHSindex.html

http://www.covvhs.org.au/
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Nothing should surprise us....REMEMBER AGENT ORANGE!

 
 
From: Matheson Family
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 11:56 AM
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Hello all,
 

Below is an excerpt from the recent Senate Estimates.

 

This document is important to Veterans because it shows the utter contempt that senior bureaucrats have for us, as you read I’m sure that you will be as surprised as I was at the apparent condescending arrogance of Messrs Sullivan and Telford (senior Repat bureaucrats). These people have been subjective with their answers bordering on out-right fallacy, i.e., the CMVH has not met (in regards to the Children’s study), et al. I believe they lied!

 

How a Minister of the Crown (Billson) would take advice from this duo is beyond me. Members of Parliament go through a rigorous trial to get elected to Parliament and later to become a Minister.

 

 

It is beyond me why Minister Billson would jeopardise his position; all that he has worked for, on ulterior and biased advice, why he would only accept the advice of people who have skills limited to the cloistered environment of the senior public service.

 

 

By their answers the above duo tacitly implied that the eminent Scientific Advisory Committee of the Feasibility Study into a Health Study of Sons & Daughters of Vietnam Veterans was less than competent and that their recommendations were flawed.

The Children’s Study will happen, whether it is in New Zealand, Canada, USA, Vietnam or Australia, and soon.

 

 

Minister Billson has the opportunity to leave his mark on the political (and veterans) scene far beyond handing out memorials and medals; natural justice demands a fair go for the Children of Vietnam Veterans!

 

 

Without prejudice

David Matheson (ex 8RAR)

http://www.covvhs.org.au/

 
Senator HURLEY—I would now like to move to health issues and, in particular, the children of Vietnam veterans health study. I understand that the feasibility study concluded that a study of the children of Vietnam veterans was feasible. The optimal study design involves comparing the children of army Vietnam veterans with the children of Vietnam War era army personnel who did not serve in Vietnam. The brothers and sisters of both groups of these army soldiers who have children would be included in the study design. The next step should be to conduct a pilot study. These conclusions were supported by the independent and expert scientific advisory committee, a committee of five experts in related areas. These conclusions were also supported by a consultative forum chaired by the Repatriation Commissioner and comprising a daughter of a Vietnam veteran, a son of a Vietnam veteran, a representative from the TPI association, the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Association, the Partners of Veterans Association, the RSL, the Vietnam Veterans Association and the Vietnam Veterans Federation. The minister, subsequent to that, has stated publicly that he does not want to proceed with the study for three reasons: because the study is focused on army members only; female members are being excluded; and he does not want to conduct a pilot study. The issues that he cited were all extensively considered by the study. These issues were not seen as an impediment to a feasible and very worthwhile study taking place. This was the view of the independent and expert scientific advisory committee and it was the view of the consultative forum. Why was this independent and expert advice ignored inselecting a way forward for this study?

 

Mr Sullivan—That is a very long statement. We will go back to the start where you said that it said a study was feasible. Let’s get some common ground here. What it did say was that there were a number of significant issues that could impact on the success of any future research into intergenerational health effects on Vietnam service. They said these would include difficulties in locating and recruiting the children of Vietnam veterans while avoiding recruitment bias and taking into account other factors which may impact on the health of the child, such as the role of the mother or of the family members. It then proposed a feasibility study to test these methodological issues. That is what the pilot study is about. This is not a study to see what the impact is on children of Vietnam veterans. The pilot study proposed was to test these methodological issues. That pilot would take a considerable time to complete and would not produce any conclusive evidence or information about the health of children of the Vietnam veterans. It was estimated that the pilot study would cost $10 million over three years. It assumed a sample size of 12,000 children, of whom medical examinations would be undertaken for a subgroup of 2,400 participants. It did not propose any data from the mother, father or siblings. It cautioned—I can give you all the page references because I was worried at one stage that we must have had two separate copies of this report—that the preferred study design was threatened by a number of factors, such as recruitment rates, bias in those who responded, difficulties in data collection, concern over which standardised measurement instrument was to be used, controlling for the health worker effect and so on. So it said, ‘Let’s do the pilot study.’ And the pilot study would allow for assessing recruitment and response rate and testing of the standardised measurement instruments available to cover health and wellbeing outcomes. There was a lot of discussion and concern about the proposal that it would be an army only proposal. In the transmittal document of the study you will read of the concern expressed in the advisory group, particularly by the representatives of the children of Vietnam veterans themselves, who were worried and concerned that an army study would not be applicable and could not be applied to navy and air force personnel. While the scientific advisory committee felt some conclusions could be drawn, it did not state that you could find or use the results once the results came of them. So I think the baseline here is that what we had recommended was that, yes, a study of the children of Vietnam veterans was feasible. It, however, had many dangers and many hurdles to overcome. So to test and get the methodologies right, spend three years, do a sample and at the end of the three years you may have addressed sufficiently the methodological issues for a decision to be taken then as to whether to proceed with the health study. That is what the minister dismissed. He dismissed it mostly on the basis that he was not going to wait three years to see any form of result after spending $10 million. So he responded to the report and largely charged us with adopting a staged approach to the response rather than a pilot study to see what research approach you should take. He wants the research correct and the approach to the research correct from as early a point in time as he can. That is where the CMVH have been tasked and what they are contracted to do for us. So there will be a greater number of academic experts involved. The minister and the government clearly believe that this is a preferable outcome. You paint a picture that a committee says yes to your simple question, ‘Is it feasible to have a full health study of the children of Vietnam veterans?’ They did not say that. They said, ‘We think it might be, but, boy, there are some pitfalls in doing it and some hurdles you’re going to have to overcome.’ Their preferred approach is to say, ‘Let’s do a three-year pilot involving 2,400 medical examinations.’ There is nothing about some of the impacts they are worried about, but they say, ‘At the end of the three years we will be in a far better position to tell you whether you can do the study that we think you might be able to do.’ That is what he has rejected, not a recommendation saying this is full steam ahead. I have no doubt that if the government had a report which said, ‘Such a health study is fully feasible. This is how you do it. This is what you should expect are the issues,’ that would have been an easy outcome to follow. It was a very difficult outcome. But I would not picture it like you have.

 

Senator HURLEY—Well, I think we can agree that that expert committee found that was the way forward. You said in your answer that the minister’s way forward will mean a greater number of academic experts will look at it. The scientific advisory committee consisted of five, it seems to me, very eminent academics: Professor Alexander McFarlane—

 

Mr Sullivan—I am not questioning their credentials. But what they recommended—

 

Senator HURLEY—Yes, you are. I am sorry, but yes, you are. They recommended that the pilot study was the way forward. They recognised in their report all of the factors that you talked about and yet their recommendation, supported by the consultative forum, was that there be a pilot study. Did the minister decide unilaterally not to follow that decision, or was there other advice? Did the department give him policy advice?

 

Mr Sullivan—Of course the department gave him policy advice.

 

Senator HURLEY—Not to follow the recommendation?

 

Mr Sullivan—I am not telling you what the department’s policy advice to the minister was. I think even in the very good summary at the start I do not do that. You are asking me very directly what advice I gave to the government. I am not going to tell you. I gave the government policy advice and a range of options.

 

Senator HURLEY—The minister’s decision has been not to follow the advice of a panel of experts.

 

Mr Sullivan—One, that would be his prerogative. Two, he was—I think we are seeing here what the clear difference is—saying that he would find a three-year pilot study to test methodology far too long to find out whether you can do a study. What he has asked for and what he has announced is an option which will see those questions of methodology and those questions of feasibility answered a whole lot more quickly. I got some numbers wrong. The pilot study is three years at $2.7 million. The full study as recommended by the report was $10 million, taking up to nine years.

 

Senator HURLEY—So you are saying that the pilot study would have taken up to nine years?

 

Mr Sullivan—Three years for the pilot study at an estimated cost of $2.7 million. The full study would take up to nine years at the cost of $10 million.

 

Senator HURLEY—Up to nine, yes?

 

Mr Sullivan—Yes.

Senator HURLEY—So the minister is proposing that there be another study conducted by the Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health that would sort out the methodological problems. How long would that take?

 

Mr Sullivan—I think the minister has said that he expects to see work occur as it goes. He expects to see aresult from all that work within two years.

 

Senator HURLEY—Two years. And then you start the health study?

 

Mr Sullivan—Eighteen months to two years. Then you basically are aware of whether the experts believe that the valid methodological issues raised by the experts on the scientific advisory committee can be overcome or not. Their proposal was—

 

Senator HURLEY—And why can’t a pilot study resolve those issues?

 

Mr Sullivan—The pilot study gives you a chance to go in one direction once. To have the experts looking at what the issues are has relevant people working through in a whole number of ways how you can tease out these methodological issues. The problem with the pilot study is that if you got to the end of it and said, ‘Well, that one didn’t work,’ do you do another pilot study saying, ‘Well, let’s try it another way?’ It really was, ‘We think you can get rid of the methodological issues in three years if you do this pilot.’ That is the methodological issues. There are no results out of it. There is nothing saying, ‘We now know what the impacts on kids of Vietnam veterans are.’ It says, ‘We can now do a study.’ If the pilot worked. If the pilot did not work, I do not think there is a Vietnam veteran I know concerned about the impact on children who would say, ‘Oh, that’s the end of it.’ They would not say it because they would quote the report back and say, ‘Well, noone was certain about this anyway.’ So what we are doing now is in a shorter timeframe. Rather than giving it over to the surveyors—

 

Senator HURLEY—Is the timeframe the timeframe nominated by the CMVH, or is that a timeframe—

 

Mr Sullivan—It is pushing the timeframe nominated. CMVH would like longer timeframes than that. But they can do it and it is a contract. It is not us saying, ‘Well, do your best.’ There is a contract in place with them.

 

Senator HURLEY—You have said that the experiment committee’s pilot, even though they have examined the methodological issues—

 

Mr Sullivan—They have discovered them.

 

Senator HURLEY—They have discovered them. They have outlined the methodological—

 

Mr Sullivan—They have outlined what they are.

 

Senator HURLEY—And they have recommended as a result of that a pilot study that might take three years.

 

Mr Sullivan—Will take three years.

 

Senator HURLEY—And you are saying that—

 

Mr Sullivan—Will take three years. They say it will take three years, and it might.

 

Senator HURLEY—And you are saying that another methodological study which will take two years is a better way to go?

 

Mr Sullivan—Yes.

 

Mr Telford—I will clarify something, if I may. There is not necessarily a contradiction here between the way that the CMVH is going forward and what is being suggested by the feasibility study. It is really an issue of emphasis. The pilot study required the development of, in effect, a full nominal roll of the children of Vietnam veterans, in the order of an estimated 120,000 people. The process is associated with recruiting them in terms of getting rid of bias and so forth and so on. Just getting a list of 120,000 people together in order to be able to conduct a pilot study of this nature was enormously expensive and, as the secretary said, took an enormous amount of time. What the CMVH have been asked to do is to say, ‘We accept that is an enormous difficulty associated with recruiting and constructing a nominal roll.’ That is a research roll, if you get what I mean by a roll of people in order to be able to draw a representative sample across Australia and compare that to their cohort in the general community. Let’s accept that is an enormous methodological difficulty. But there are other hurdles which the feasibility study put forward in terms of the confounders around the impact of the health of the mother on the child, issues that you outlined in respect of the different types of impacts of service from the different service arms and so forth and so on in the report. What the CMVH have been asked to do is to look at that smaller proportion of what would be looked at in a pilot study and focus on that particularly, understanding that there are difficulties around recruitment which also need to be examined. But let’s not go into a full process of constructing a nominal roll for these 120,000 children if indeed there is no point in going forward because the other methodological issues are drop dead. That is really the issue that CMVH have to look at. I think it is a far more sensible approach to understand and accept that the scientific advice we have been given by the feasibility study and the experts you quoted is that recruitment is an enormous issue. We know that from our health studies across the years. Let’s look at some of the other major confounders associated with trying to understand the impact of one parent’s service on the health of their children when there are other issues associated with the impact of that over a 30-year period.

 

Senator HURLEY—You have had an expert committee look at that. What if the CMVH feel at the end of the two years that they are not able—

 

Mr Telford—Let me say it is closer to 18 months.

 

Senator HURLEY—18 months to two years that they are not able to address those issues in the timeline given? What happens then?

 

Mr Telford—We will address that when we come to it. The more important point is that if they come up with a report which says that some of these methodological issues are totally not able to be solved, the issue of the nominal roll and the construction of that is then something which we do not have to address or vice versa.

 

Senator HURLEY—What if they then say, ‘Why don’t we do a pilot study?’ The only effect you have had is to delay it by 18 months to two years.

 

Mr Telford—Well, the pilot study they would be suggesting, though, would not necessarily be around just finding whether you can construct a nominal roll or not. It would be around methodological issues associated with the confounders the report outlines. The remit of the feasibility study scientific advisory committee was not to go into, as the secretary says, the issues around how to solve the methodological confounders. It was actually around identifying them.

 

CHAIR—Can we break? The committee is suspended. We will reconvene at 9.20 pm.

Proceedings suspended from 9.07 pm to 9.20 pm

 

CHAIR—I call the committee to order and turn to Senator Hurley.

 

Senator HURLEY—Thank you, Mr Chairman. I do not accept what has been said about the

Feasibility study and approach taken to it, but I would like to go on, just briefly, to issues around it. Just to be clear, you have gone to the CMVH and said, ‘We want you to come to a conclusion within 18 months to two years.’ They indicated initially that they wanted a bit longer. Can you tell me how much longer they wanted?

 

Mr Sullivan—No. The only thing I will tell you is that they are contracted to deliver the results that we are after between 18 months and two years.

 

Senator HURLEY—So you have already negotiated a contract?

 

Mr Sullivan—Yes. A contract has been signed with CMVH.

 

Senator HURLEY—And when are they starting that contract?

 

Mr Sullivan—They have started work.

 

Senator HURLEY—They have already started. And the dates that it is to be finished?

 

Mr Sullivan—I will take that on notice. But it is 18 months to two years.

 

Senator HURLEY—So it is not a fixed date? It is within a period of time?

 

Mr Sullivan—There are various things. What we have asked them to do is to really come up with a

research protocol which will have several elements to it. It will basically have the study hypotheses, which are the statements of what you would expect to be tested through the analysis. That should be fairly quickly done. The very, very important thing is the sampling strategy. We want them to be able to tell us who and how many children of Vietnam veterans need to have their health surveyed in order to make the results representative of sons and daughters. That is partly what the pilot study was going to try to do but had no way of actually being able to say, ‘Well, this is going to be’ except by collecting all 120,000 names, as Mr Telford went through. So we want a sampling strategy. We want a contact and recruitment strategy. So if we are going to do a study, how do you do it without introducing bias? We do not have contact with all Vietnam veterans let alone contact with Vietnam veterans’ children. So we have to go find Vietnam veterans’ children. We have tasked them with an outline of the data collection instruments—that is, what questions you will ask them.

 

Senator HURLEY—Mr Sullivan, I think a pilot study could have dealt with those questions. We will not continue with that. I think you have been advised on a preferred option. The minister has unilaterally decided not to take that option but to go to a different one. You will not tell me what policy advice you gave the minister for him to arrive at that decision. There is not much point in us continuing.

 

Mr Sullivan—Mr Telford said something, and I will repeat it; that is, I believe the minister’s response to this report is the best you could have made. That says something about the advice that went to him.

 

Senator HURLEY—That, to me, indicates you are rejecting the expert advice of a committee that you set up.

 

Mr Sullivan—No. You are creating an argument here that says on the one hand do this and on another hand do this. What we are saying is that this is a faster way, a more certain way, a way that you get the right people involved to produce the result.

 

Senator HURLEY—And I am asking you: who says it is faster and more certain? What advice do you have that that is a better way to go?

 

Mr Telford—The scientific advisory committee made the comments, which I have outlined earlier, that there are two elements to this. I do not want to repeat them again. One is about recruitment and one is about methodology.

 

Senator HURLEY—And then a conclusion was that you should go to a pilot study. Your conclusion was that you should do another methodological study.

 

Mr Sullivan—I think that is a very simplistic view of the report, actually. I think it is extraordinarily

simplistic for a very complex issue.

 

Senator HURLEY—Again, as I say, we have reached that decision. Just taking the next step, once that methodological study has concluded, will the minister have a full health study?

 

Mr Sullivan—It will depend on the outcomes. If he were pursuing the pilot study and you asked me

whether the study would follow, the answer would be it would depend on the outcome of the pilot. In this respect, it depends entirely on the outcome of the work.

 

Senator HURLEY—Except that with a pilot study you would have some data to be going on with?

 

Mr Sullivan—No. The data may prove you cannot do it. It is only methodological. The pilot study could face exactly the same barrier as this. If you read the full study, it says they are saying there is a real possibility, not a probability, that these issues will be insurmountable, including in their own pilot recommendation. There is a section in the report that says it is very possible that these issues are insurmountable. You are asking why—

 

Senator HURLEY—I presume that is why they want some data.

 

Mr Sullivan—What data?

 

Senator HURLEY—However, we will not go—

 

Mr Sullivan—What data?

 

Senator HURLEY—Well, if you did a pilot study, you would have data from—

 

Mr Sullivan—What data? What would the use of the data be other than proving the methodology? They say the pilot will not give you an outcome on the health of children of Vietnam veterans. They make that a very explicit statement. It just says, ‘We’ll work out whether we can actually know who we are talking about and whether we can recruit them.’

 

Senator HURLEY—So you obviously feel that your understanding of scientific methodology is greater than the scientific advisory committee’s?

 

Mr Sullivan—I certainly do not. That is again a very simplistic statement.

 

Senator HURLEY—We are going around in circles at this point.

CHAIR—We are a bit.

 

Senator HURLEY—Let’s move on.
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The following is a transcript of the Estimates Committee of 1 November 2006, which tries to get to the bottom of just what the Government intends doing with the report on the feasability of a study into the health of the children of Vietnam Veterans.
 
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To all,

Please find attached a copy of the estimates transcript that relates to the discussion around COVVHS.  Alan organised Senator Hurley to ask questions on this subject.  Of most interest is the revelation by the Department that a study is in no way guaranteed.  I will let you draw your own conclusions from what has been said.

COVVHS Estimates - November 2006.doc

Please feel free to circulate to any interested parties.

Any questions feel free to give me a call.  Alan remains extremely concerned at where this is going and is working hard on it.  Any suggestions about ways forward are, as always, most appreciated.

Kind regards,

Rodney Hilton
Adviser
Alan Griffin MP
Federal Member for Bruce
Shadow Minister for Veterans Affairs
Shadow Special Minister of State
e.mail rod.hilton@aph.gov.au
Tel: 02 6277 4374
Mob: 0403 831179
Fax: 02 6277 4065

 

Senator HURLEY—I would now like to move to health issues and, in particular, the children of Vietnam veterans health study. I understand that the feasibility study concluded that a study of the children of Vietnam veterans was feasible. The optimal study design involves comparing the children of army Vietnam veterans with the children of Vietnam War era army personnel who did not serve in Vietnam. The brothers and sisters of both groups of these army soldiers who have children would be included in the study design. The next step should be to conduct a pilot study. These conclusions were supported by the independent and expert scientific advisory committee, a committee of five experts in related areas. These conclusions were also supported by a consultative forum chaired by the Repatriation Commissioner and comprising a daughter of a Vietnam veteran, a son of a Vietnam veteran, a representative from the TPI association, the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study Association, the Partners of Veterans Association, the RSL, the Vietnam Veterans Association and the Vietnam Veterans Federation. The minister, subsequent to that, has stated publicly that he does not want to proceed with the study for three reasons: because the study is focused on army members only; female members are being excluded; and he does not want to conduct a pilot study. The issues that he cited were all extensively considered by the study. These issues were not seen as an impediment to a feasible and very worthwhile study taking place. This was the view of the independent and expert scientific advisory committee and it was the view of the consultative forum. Why was this independent and expert advice ignored inselecting a way forward for this study?

 

Mr Sullivan—That is a very long statement. We will go back to the start where you said that it said a study was feasible. Let’s get some common ground here. What it did say was that there were a number of significant issues that could impact on the success of any future research into intergenerational health effects on Vietnam service. They said these would include difficulties in locating and recruiting the children of Vietnam veterans while avoiding recruitment bias and taking into account other factors which may impact on the health of the child, such as the role of the mother or of the family members. It then proposed a feasibility study to test these methodological issues. That is what the pilot study is about. This is not a study to see what the impact is on children of Vietnam veterans. The pilot study proposed was to test these methodological issues. That pilot would take a considerable time to complete and would not produce any conclusive evidence or information about the health of children of the Vietnam veterans. It was estimated that the pilot study would cost $10 million over three years. It assumed a sample size of 12,000 children, of whom medical examinations would be undertaken for a subgroup of 2,400 participants. It did not propose any data from the mother, father or siblings. It cautioned—I can give you all the page references because I was worried at one stage that we must have had two separate copies of this report—that the preferred study design was threatened by a number of factors, such as recruitment rates, bias in those who responded, difficulties in data collection, concern over which standardised measurement instrument was to be used, controlling for the health worker effect and so on. So it said, ‘Let’s do the pilot study.’ And the pilot study would allow for assessing recruitment and response rate and testing of the standardised measurement instruments available to cover health and wellbeing outcomes. There was a lot of discussion and concern about the proposal that it would be an army only proposal. In the transmittal document of the study you will read of the concern expressed in the advisory group, particularly by the representatives of the children of Vietnam veterans themselves, who were worried and concerned that an army study would not be applicable and could not be applied to navy and air force personnel. While the scientific advisory committee felt some conclusions could be drawn, it did not state that you could find or use the results once the results came of them. So I think the baseline here is that what we had recommended was that, yes, a study of the children of Vietnam veterans was feasible. It, however, had many dangers and many hurdles to overcome. So to test and get the methodologies right, spend three years, do a sample and at the end of the three years you may have addressed sufficiently the methodological issues for a decision to be taken then as to whether to proceed with the health study. That is what the minister dismissed. He dismissed it mostly on the basis that he was not going to wait three years to see any form of result after spending $10 million. So he responded to the report and largely charged us with adopting a staged approach to the response rather than a pilot study to see what research approach you should take. He wants the research correct and the approach to the research correct from as early a point in time as he can. That is where the CMVH have been tasked and what they are contracted to do for us. So there will be a greater number of academic experts involved. The minister and the government clearly believe that this is a preferable outcome. You paint a picture that a committee says yes to your simple question, ‘Is it feasible to have a full health study of the children of Vietnam veterans?’ They did not say that. They said, ‘We think it might be, but, boy, there are some pitfalls in doing it and some hurdles you’re going to have to overcome.’ Their preferred approach is to say, ‘Let’s do a three-year pilot involving 2,400 medical examinations.’ There is nothing about some of the impacts they are worried about, but they say, ‘At the end of the three years we will be in a far better position to tell you whether you can do the study that we think you might be able to do.’ That is what he has rejected, not a recommendation saying this is full steam ahead. I have no doubt that if the government had a report which said, ‘Such a health study is fully feasible. This is how you do it. This is what you should expect are the issues,’ that would have been an easy outcome to follow. It was a very difficult outcome. But I would not picture it like you have.

 

Senator HURLEY—Well, I think we can agree that that expert committee found that was the way forward. You said in your answer that the minister’s way forward will mean a greater number of academic experts will look at it. The scientific advisory committee consisted of five, it seems to me, very eminent academics: Professor Alexander McFarlane—

 

Mr Sullivan—I am not questioning their credentials. But what they recommended—

 

Senator HURLEY—Yes, you are. I am sorry, but yes, you are. They recommended that the pilot study was the way forward. They recognised in their report all of the factors that you talked about and yet their recommendation, supported by the consultative forum, was that there be a pilot study. Did the minister decide unilaterally not to follow that decision, or was there other advice? Did the department give him policy advice?

 

Mr Sullivan—Of course the department gave him policy advice.

 

Senator HURLEY—Not to follow the recommendation?

 

Mr Sullivan—I am not telling you what the department’s policy advice to the minister was. I think even in the very good summary at the start I do not do that. You are asking me very directly what advice I gave to the government. I am not going to tell you. I gave the government policy advice and a range of options.

 

Senator HURLEY—The minister’s decision has been not to follow the advice of a panel of experts.

 

Mr Sullivan—One, that would be his prerogative. Two, he was—I think we are seeing here what the clear difference is—saying that he would find a three-year pilot study to test methodology far too long to find out whether you can do a study. What he has asked for and what he has announced is an option which will see those questions of methodology and those questions of feasibility answered a whole lot more quickly. I got some numbers wrong. The pilot study is three years at $2.7 million. The full study as recommended by the report was $10 million, taking up to nine years.

 

Senator HURLEY—So you are saying that the pilot study would have taken up to nine years?

 

Mr Sullivan—Three years for the pilot study at an estimated cost of $2.7 million. The full study would take up to nine years at the cost of $10 million.

 

Senator HURLEY—Up to nine, yes?

 

Mr Sullivan—Yes.

Senator HURLEY—So the minister is proposing that there be another study conducted by the Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health that would sort out the methodological problems. How long would that take?

 

Mr Sullivan—I think the minister has said that he expects to see work occur as it goes. He expects to see aresult from all that work within two years.

 

Senator HURLEY—Two years. And then you start the health study?

 

Mr Sullivan—Eighteen months to two years. Then you basically are aware of whether the experts believe that the valid methodological issues raised by the experts on the scientific advisory committee can be overcome or not. Their proposal was—

 

Senator HURLEY—And why can’t a pilot study resolve those issues?

 

Mr Sullivan—The pilot study gives you a chance to go in one direction once. To have the experts looking at what the issues are has relevant people working through in a whole number of ways how you can tease out these methodological issues. The problem with the pilot study is that if you got to the end of it and said, ‘Well, that one didn’t work,’ do you do another pilot study saying, ‘Well, let’s try it another way?’ It really was, ‘We think you can get rid of the methodological issues in three years if you do this pilot.’ That is the methodological issues. There are no results out of it. There is nothing saying, ‘We now know what the impacts on kids of Vietnam veterans are.’ It says, ‘We can now do a study.’ If the pilot worked. If the pilot did not work, I do not think there is a Vietnam veteran I know concerned about the impact on children who would say, ‘Oh, that’s the end of it.’ They would not say it because they would quote the report back and say, ‘Well, noone was certain about this anyway.’ So what we are doing now is in a shorter timeframe. Rather than giving it over to the surveyors—

 

Senator HURLEY—Is the timeframe the timeframe nominated by the CMVH, or is that a timeframe—

 

Mr Sullivan—It is pushing the timeframe nominated. CMVH would like longer timeframes than that. But they can do it and it is a contract. It is not us saying, ‘Well, do your best.’ There is a contract in place with them.

 

Senator HURLEY—You have said that the experiment committee’s pilot, even though they have examined the methodological issues—

 

Mr Sullivan—They have discovered them.

 

Senator HURLEY—They have discovered them. They have outlined the methodological—

 

Mr Sullivan—They have outlined what they are.

 

Senator HURLEY—And they have recommended as a result of that a pilot study that might take three years.

 

Mr Sullivan—Will take three years.

 

Senator HURLEY—And you are saying that—

 

Mr Sullivan—Will take three years. They say it will take three years, and it might.

 

Senator HURLEY—And you are saying that another methodological study which will take two years is a better way to go?

 

Mr Sullivan—Yes.

 

Mr Telford—I will clarify something, if I may. There is not necessarily a contradiction here between the way that the CMVH is going forward and what is being suggested by the feasibility study. It is really an issue of emphasis. The pilot study required the development of, in effect, a full nominal roll of the children of Vietnam veterans, in the order of an estimated 120,000 people. The process is associated with recruiting them in terms of getting rid of bias and so forth and so on. Just getting a list of 120,000 people together in order to be able to conduct a pilot study of this nature was enormously expensive and, as the secretary said, took an enormous amount of time. What the CMVH have been asked to do is to say, ‘We accept that is an enormous difficulty associated with recruiting and constructing a nominal roll.’ That is a research roll, if you get what I mean by a roll of people in order to be able to draw a representative sample across Australia and compare that to their cohort in the general community. Let’s accept that is an enormous methodological difficulty. But there are other hurdles which the feasibility study put forward in terms of the confounders around the impact of the health of the mother on the child, issues that you outlined in respect of the different types of impacts of service from the different service arms and so forth and so on in the report. What the CMVH have been asked to do is to look at that smaller proportion of what would be looked at in a pilot study and focus on that particularly, understanding that there are difficulties around recruitment which also need to be examined. But let’s not go into a full process of constructing a nominal roll for these 120,000 children if indeed there is no point in going forward because the other methodological issues are drop dead. That is really the issue that CMVH have to look at. I think it is a far more sensible approach to understand and accept that the scientific advice we have been given by the feasibility study and the experts you quoted is that recruitment is an enormous issue. We know that from our health studies across the years. Let’s look at some of the other major confounders associated with trying to understand the impact of one parent’s service on the health of their children when there are other issues associated with the impact of that over a 30-year period.

 

Senator HURLEY—You have had an expert committee look at that. What if the CMVH feel at the end of the two years that they are not able—

 

Mr Telford—Let me say it is closer to 18 months.

 

Senator HURLEY—18 months to two years that they are not able to address those issues in the timeline given? What happens then?

 

Mr Telford—We will address that when we come to it. The more important point is that if they come up with a report which says that some of these methodological issues are totally not able to be solved, the issue of the nominal roll and the construction of that is then something which we do not have to address or vice versa.

 

Senator HURLEY—What if they then say, ‘Why don’t we do a pilot study?’ The only effect you have had is to delay it by 18 months to two years.

 

Mr Telford—Well, the pilot study they would be suggesting, though, would not necessarily be around just finding whether you can construct a nominal roll or not. It would be around methodological issues associated with the confounders the report outlines. The remit of the feasibility study scientific advisory committee was not to go into, as the secretary says, the issues around how to solve the methodological confounders. It was actually around identifying them.

 

CHAIR—Can we break? The committee is suspended. We will reconvene at 9.20 pm.

Proceedings suspended from 9.07 pm to 9.20 pm

 

CHAIR—I call the committee to order and turn to Senator Hurley.

 

Senator HURLEY—Thank you, Mr Chairman. I do not accept what has been said about the

Feasibility study and approach taken to it, but I would like to go on, just briefly, to issues around it. Just to be clear, you have gone to the CMVH and said, ‘We want you to come to a conclusion within 18 months to two years.’ They indicated initially that they wanted a bit longer. Can you tell me how much longer they wanted?

 

Mr Sullivan—No. The only thing I will tell you is that they are contracted to deliver the results that we are after between 18 months and two years.

 

Senator HURLEY—So you have already negotiated a contract?

 

Mr Sullivan—Yes. A contract has been signed with CMVH.

 

Senator HURLEY—And when are they starting that contract?

 

Mr Sullivan—They have started work.

 

Senator HURLEY—They have already started. And the dates that it is to be finished?

 

Mr Sullivan—I will take that on notice. But it is 18 months to two years.

 

Senator HURLEY—So it is not a fixed date? It is within a period of time?

 

Mr Sullivan—There are various things. What we have asked them to do is to really come up with a

research protocol which will have several elements to it. It will basically have the study hypotheses, which are the statements of what you would expect to be tested through the analysis. That should be fairly quickly done. The very, very important thing is the sampling strategy. We want them to be able to tell us who and how many children of Vietnam veterans need to have their health surveyed in order to make the results representative of sons and daughters. That is partly what the pilot study was going to try to do but had no way of actually being able to say, ‘Well, this is going to be’ except by collecting all 120,000 names, as Mr Telford went through. So we want a sampling strategy. We want a contact and recruitment strategy. So if we are going to do a study, how do you do it without introducing bias? We do not have contact with all Vietnam veterans let alone contact with Vietnam veterans’ children. So we have to go find Vietnam veterans’ children. We have tasked them with an outline of the data collection instruments—that is, what questions you will ask them.

 

Senator HURLEY—Mr Sullivan, I think a pilot study could have dealt with those questions. We will not continue with that. I think you have been advised on a preferred option. The minister has unilaterally decided not to take that option but to go to a different one. You will not tell me what policy advice you gave the minister for him to arrive at that decision. There is not much point in us continuing.

 

Mr Sullivan—Mr Telford said something, and I will repeat it; that is, I believe the minister’s response to this report is the best you could have made. That says something about the advice that went to him.

 

Senator HURLEY—That, to me, indicates you are rejecting the expert advice of a committee that you set up.

 

Mr Sullivan—No. You are creating an argument here that says on the one hand do this and on another hand do this. What we are saying is that this is a faster way, a more certain way, a way that you get the right people involved to produce the result.

 

Senator HURLEY—And I am asking you: who says it is faster and more certain? What advice do you have that that is a better way to go?

 

Mr Telford—The scientific advisory committee made the comments, which I have outlined earlier, that there are two elements to this. I do not want to repeat them again. One is about recruitment and one is about methodology.

 

Senator HURLEY—And then a conclusion was that you should go to a pilot study. Your conclusion was that you should do another methodological study.

 

Mr Sullivan—I think that is a very simplistic view of the report, actually. I think it is extraordinarily

simplistic for a very complex issue.

 

Senator HURLEY—Again, as I say, we have reached that decision. Just taking the next step, once that methodological study has concluded, will the minister have a full health study?

 

Mr Sullivan—It will depend on the outcomes. If he were pursuing the pilot study and you asked me

whether the study would follow, the answer would be it would depend on the outcome of the pilot. In this respect, it depends entirely on the outcome of the work.

 

Senator HURLEY—Except that with a pilot study you would have some data to be going on with?

 

Mr Sullivan—No. The data may prove you cannot do it. It is only methodological. The pilot study could face exactly the same barrier as this. If you read the full study, it says they are saying there is a real possibility, not a probability, that these issues will be insurmountable, including in their own pilot recommendation. There is a section in the report that says it is very possible that these issues are insurmountable. You are asking why—

 

Senator HURLEY—I presume that is why they want some data.

 

Mr Sullivan—What data?

 

Senator HURLEY—However, we will not go—

 

Mr Sullivan—What data?

 

Senator HURLEY—Well, if you did a pilot study, you would have data from—

 

Mr Sullivan—What data? What would the use of the data be other than proving the methodology? They say the pilot will not give you an outcome on the health of children of Vietnam veterans. They make that a very explicit statement. It just says, ‘We’ll work out whether we can actually know who we are talking about and whether we can recruit them.’

 

Senator HURLEY—So you obviously feel that your understanding of scientific methodology is greater than the scientific advisory committee’s?

 

Mr Sullivan—I certainly do not. That is again a very simplistic statement.

 

Senator HURLEY—We are going around in circles at this point.

CHAIR—We are a bit.

 

Senator HURLEY—Let’s move on.
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Hello Keith,
Alan's media release this afternoon,
David Matheson
 
 

 
Media Release

ALAN GRIFFIN MP

Shadow Minister for Veterans’ Affairs

Federal Member for Bruce

The government continues to play politics with the health of children of Vietnam veterans

The Shadow Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, Alan Griffin, said today “it was disgraceful that the Minister has chosen to play politics with the health of the children of Vietnam veterans”. 

Vietnam Veterans have very real concerns regarding the health of their children. 

An independent study found in 1999 that children of Vietnam veterans have a suicide rate three times higher than the rest of the general population.  I think the Veterans’ community is entitled to ask why.  I also think they are entitled to know more about the effects of their service upon their children.

This Minister has given up looking for answers and is focused only on finding excuses.

It is clear that the independent advice the Minister received on this issue was that a study was feasible and very worthwhile and that a pilot study could work through a series of associated methodological issues.

The Minister chose to ignore this independent advice despite it being endorsed by both the independent Scientific Advisory Committee and the Repatriation Commissioner. 

What was also clear and what has been understood in the veterans’ community is that real results could have been achieved in a lot less than the six to nine years the Minister claims this would take. 

The Minister claims that the proposed study can’t go ahead because it would focus only on Army personnel.  The Minister’s own independent study and Scientific Advisory Committee disagrees with him on this issue. 

Once again this government is ignoring the recommendations of its own independent review.  It is becoming clear that this Minister only listens to independent reviews when it suits his own political agenda. 

The Minister should be placing the health of children of veterans above politics.  He could start doing this by listening to his own Scientific Advisory Committee, and the wider Veterans’ community on this issue. 

Media Contact:  Rod Hilton 0403831179



Background

When the Minister received the findings of the feasibility study he also received two letters attached to this study.

The first letter was addressed to Mark Sullivan, the Secretary of the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, and was from Professor Alexander McFarlane writing on behalf of the Scientific Advisory Committee.

Professor McFarlane made the findings of the study very clear when he wrote that:

The Committee has found that a study into the health of children of Vietnam veterans is feasible.  In addition the Committee is of the view that there would be substantial merit in such a study.

The Committee’s preferred option, and the option we see as most feasible, would be a study design comparing the children of Army Vietnam veterans with the children of Vietnam war era Army personnel who did not serve in Vietnam.  The brothers and sisters of these groups of Army soldiers, who have children, would also be included in this design.  This option would examine the impact of Vietnam on the health of children as well as answer the question of whether the health of the children of Vietnam veterans is different from a general community sample where the father had not served in the military. 

A decision to proceed with this study and the commitment of resources for the study is a matter for Government, and goes beyond the terms of reference of this Committee.   

The second letter was from the Repatriation Commissioner, Rear Admiral Simon Harrington who also served as the Chair of the Consultative Forum.  In this letter Rear Admiral Harrington also makes clear the findings of the study.  He writes

The Forum, comprising of members of the Vietnam veteran communities as well as a son and daughter of Vietnam veterans, supports the Committee’s conclusion that a health study is feasible and reinforce the benefits of undertaking a pilot study. 

The consensus of the Forum was that a study, if pursued successfully, would provide Government with authoritative and specific information about the health impact that Vietnam service has had on the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans.  This information would be of value if the government considers designing innovative and targeted policy responses to address potential health issues that may be identified in a health study.

The report itself states that


The SAC has identified that a study of the children of Vietnam veterans is feasible, and have selected a preferred study design that would provide a way to assess evidence for differences in the mental and physical health of children of Vietnam veterans compared to children from the general community and children of other Australian Defence Force personnel who did not serve in Vietnam. 



Firstly, the Minister points to the fact that the feasibility study outlines a number of issues that could impact on the success of future research. 

The feasibility study examined these issues.  Their findings address many of these issues.  There is no doubt that the feasibility study did find that some of the issues will need to be resolved.

However, nowhere in the study is it recommended that these issues need to be resolved by undertaking further research into protocols.  Instead the study recommended that:

A pilot study would allow detailed exploration of the various study designs to determine a scientifically robust design and the associated costs.  Undertaking a pilot study will also allow for the assessment of potential recruitment and response rates and the testing of the standardised measurement instrument available to health and wellbeing outcomes.

The Minister has also said that he is concerned that the study is proposing to sample only Army personnel and not Airforce and Navy personnel. 

Again the feasibility study addresses these issues when it says:

The SAC extensively discussed whether the comparison groups should include fathers from all three Australian Defence Force service arms and decided to include only Army veterans in the study design for scientific and logistic reasons.  The logistic reasons include that there are larger numbers of Army enlisted veterans, a list of Army veterans who did not go to Vietnam is already available for a comparison group, and the consistency in the nature and length of deployment in Vietnam.  The costs and the resources required in undertaking a health study incorporating all service arms would increase considerably. 

While the decision to study the Army was for methodological reasons, this does not negate the potential relevance of these findings to RAAF and RAN veterans’ children.  In deciding upon this option, it is important to acknowledge that there were many similarities in the nature of service between some RAAF, RAN and Army personnel.   
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From: Darrel Nelson
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From: George, Jennie (MP) Jennie.George.MP@aph.gov.au

Sent: Thursday, 19 October 2006 9:53 AM

To: Darrel Nelson

Subject: ALAN GRIFFIN - SPEECH TO PARTNERS OF VETERANS ASSOCIATION - WEDNESDAY 18 OCTOBER 2006

 

Hiya Darrel

Forwarding this speech to you FYI

Sarah

 

<<Speech to Partners of Veterans Association Dinner 18 October.pdf>>

 

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Speech to Partners of Veterans Association Dinner

Shadow Minister for Veterans’ Affairs Alan Griffin

Canberra    Wednesday 18 October 2006

[Acknowledgments]

The Importance of Partners

Thank you for having me here tonight. 

I want to talk about a group that I believe outperforms DVA in providing for Veterans. 

That is, I want to talk about the importance of Veterans’ partners.

One of the greatest lessons I have learnt over my last year as Shadow Minister for Veterans’ Affairs is the importance of a veteran’s family, especially their partner in providing veterans with love, support and care.

Firstly, partners of veterans contribute in the area of compensation and income for the veteran.  It is a sad fact that when veterans return from conflict they are often unable to participate in the workforce to a level that they could have if it was not for their service.

In these cases partners work long and hard to compensate the veteran for income that they could have been earning.  Often this means that the partner has had to sacrifice their original career ambitions and aims for this purpose. 

Secondly, a partner will provide the veteran with the greatest recognition he or she can receive.  A veteran can march in as many services as he wishes.  He can have memorials erected in commemoration of his service.  But I am sure that none of this means more to a veteran than their own partner’s recognition of their sacrifice. 

Perhaps the greatest way a partner contributes to a veterans’ health is through the provision of health care.

This is clearest in the case of partners who are carers.  The role of a carer is a selfless role, and one that requires a massive commitment of blood, sweat and tears.

Carers have to forgo a place in the workforce.  They are prevented from achieving income freedom, disadvantaged by not being able to accumulate their own superannuation or savings. 

They often have their social lives cut dramatically.  No longer do they have the free time or energy to pursue those activities that may have given them pleasure and relaxation.

It takes a special person to be this selfless. 

Carers make a great contribution to our society, by caring for their loved ones, who may otherwise be taken out of the community. 

Carers provide us with so much and deserve more recognition for their efforts.

I believe that we must be doing more to understand the role that partners of veterans play so that we can provide appropriate resources to help them where we can.

 

The Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study

I am aware that there are many issues that have a large impact on partners of veterans, many of which need to be addressed.  However due to the limited time available to me tonight I can not touch on them all.  Tonight I want to focus on the proposed Children of Vietnam Veterans’ Health Study.

I want to outline my thoughts tonight on where we are currently and also outline some ideas about where I believe we should be.

Firstly, I would like to congratulate the Minister on his announcement that he will be forming a new Advisory Panel on Intergenerational Effects.  I would like to congratulate Professor Elizabeth Waters as being appointed chair of this panel and I am sure she will do an excellent job. This is a positive step in the right direction.

At the last election this government promised that it would conduct a feasibility study to determine if a study into the health of children of Vietnam veterans could be conducted, and if it would be worthwhile.

The Veterans’ community had been pushing the government on this issue.  They Veterans community accepted the government’s position with good faith.

The government has finally, after a prolonged period, released the findings of the feasibility study. 

I want to talk about the feasibility study’s findings.

When the Minister received the findings of the feasibility study he also received two letters attached to this study.

The first letter was addressed to Mark Sullivan, the Secretary of the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, and was from Professor Alexander McFarlane writing on behalf of the Scientific Advisory Committee.

Professor McFarlane made the findings of the study very clear when he wrote that:

The Committee has found that a study into the health of children of Vietnam veterans is feasible.  In addition the Committee is of the view that there would be substantial merit in such a study.

The Committee’s preferred option, and the option we see as most feasible, would be a study design comparing the children of Army Vietnam veterans with the children of Vietnam war era Army personnel who did not serve in Vietnam.  The brothers and sisters of these groups of Army soldiers, who have children, would also be included in this design.  This option would examine the impact of Vietnam on the health of children as well as answer the question of whether the health of the children of Vietnam veterans is different from a general community sample where the father had not served in the military. 

A decision to proceed with this study and the commitment of resources for the study is a matter for Government, and goes beyond the terms of reference of this Committee.   

The second letter was from the Repatriation Commissioner, Rear Admiral Simon Harrington who also served as the Chair of the Consultative Forum.  In this letter Rear Admiral Harrington also makes clear the findings of the study.  He writes

The Forum, comprising of members of the Vietnam veteran communities as well as a son and daughter of Vietnam veterans, supports the Committee’s conclusion that a health study is feasible and reinforce the benefits of undertaking a pilot study. 

The consensus of the Forum was that a study, if pursued successfully, would provide Government with authoritative and specific information about the health impact that Vietnam service has had on the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans.  This information would be of value if the government considers designing innovative and targeted policy responses to address potential health issues that may be identified in a health study.

The report itself states that

The SAC has identified that a study of the children of Vietnam veterans is feasible, and have selected a preferred study design that would provide a way to assess evidence for differences in the mental and physical health of children of Vietnam veterans compared to children from the general community and children of other Australian Defence Force personnel who did not serve in Vietnam. 

I apologise for the long series of quotes, especially to those who have already read the report, but I feel it is very important that we are clear on what the feasibility study said and what it recommended. 

It is clear that the advice that the Minister received on this issue was that:

1.      A study was feasible and very worthwhile; and

2.      A pilot study should be completed. 

 

What was also clear and what has been understood in the veterans’ community is that real results could have been achieved in a lot less than 7 years. 

The question therefore is why has the Minister chosen to respond to these findings in the way he has.

The Minister has appointed the Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health to undertake further research on the feasibility of the study.  They have been appointed to develop, in the Minister’s words, a research protocol. 

They have not been appointed to implement a pilot study. 

They have not been appointed to conduct a study.

This leads to the question of why the Minister chose to ignore the advice given.

Firstly, the Minister points to the fact that the feasibility study outlines a number of issues that could impact on the success of future research.  These are the issues I assume will be addressed within the research protocols.

My concern is that the feasibility study examined these issues.  Their findings address many of these issues.

There is no doubt that the study did find that some of the issue will need to be resolved.

However, nowhere in the study is it recommended that these issues need to be resolved by undertaking further research into protocols.  Instead the study recommended that:

A pilot study would allow detailed exploration of the various study designs to determine a scientifically robust design and the associated costs.  Undertaking a pilot study will also allow for the assessment of potential recruitment and response rates and the testing of the standardised measurement instrument available to health and wellbeing outcomes.

I have two questions that come from this. 

Firstly, why did the Minister ignore the advice of his own independent study? 

Secondly, why did the Minister feel that another lengthy study was required on this topic when the feasibility study has examined many of these issues and at no place does it recommend the action he has taken?

Another reason I have heard from the Minister is that he is concerned that the study is proposing to sample only Army personnel and not Airforce and Navy personnel. 

Again the feasibility study addresses these issues when it says

The SAC extensively discussed whether the comparison groups should include fathers from all three Australian Defence Force service arms and decided to include only Army veterans in the study design for scientific and logistic reasons.  The logistic reasons include that there are larger numbers of Army enlisted veterans, a list of Army veterans who did not go to Vietnam is already available for a comparison group, and the consistency in the nature and length of deployment in Vietnam.  The costs and the resources required in undertaking a health study incorporating all service arms would increase considerably.

These seem like very sensible reasons to me.  The study also makes it clear that non-Army personnel do not have to fear missing out under the proposed format.  The study clearly states

While the decision to study the Army was for methodological reasons, this does not negate the potential relevance of these findings to RAAF and RAN veterans’ children.  In deciding upon this option, it is important to acknowledge that there were many similarities in the nature of service between some RAAF, RAN and Army personnel.   

The study has therefore addressed this issue so I can not understand why the Minister sees this as an impediment to commencing a study.

So again I have to ask why is the Minister ignoring these findings?

To my mind the findings are clear the study is feasible and a pilot study would help work through the technical issues.

And again, I stress that there are options, real options, that won’t take anything like 7 years.

The Minister instead has made the decision to engage in further work on research protocols, which he predicts will be finished by the end of 2007. 

I can not help but be cynical that the results will be available at the end of 2007 when an election is to be held before that time. 

I also question why so long is needed just for the development of protocols.  Surely some of these issues can be worked through in a much shorter time. 

Instead what we have is a very credible and sensible feasibility study that has led to the Minister calling for a further feasibility study. 

This is an issue that is very important because of what we already know.

We already know that children of Vietnam veterans have three times the suicide rate of the general community.

We know that this rate worsened from the 1980s to the 1990s.

We should therefore be acting on this now, not in the future, not after the next election, but now.

We knew this in 1999.

While the government has introduced a small number of initiatives related to this fact, these initiatives have largely been reactive and passive.

This Minister has for example introduced an expansion in the Long Tan Bursary Scheme and also approved a continuation of free access for children over the age of 35 to the Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service. 

These were welcomed by me as worthwhile decisions. 

However, the question we need to ask is: is this enough? Can’t more be done now?

The programs and assistance offered by this government require the individual or the family to come to the government or health providers to seek assistance. 

It is my understanding however that due to the nature of the issue, namely mental health and suicide, these sorts of measures while necessary and welcome, are limited in their impact. 

Under this government there have been limited programs or measures that promote an outreach to the veteran community generally to raise awareness of mental health issues and signs. 

The government needs to be less reactive in this area and much more proactive.

One measure that I believe should be looked at very closely is providing Program ASIST with increased funding and administrative support.

ASIST stands for Applied Intervention Skills Training and is a workshop conducted by LivingWorks Australia, under the auspices of Lifeline Australia.

ASIST workshops aim to equip participants with the skills needed to play an effective suicide intervention role.  The emphasis is on suicide first aid and helping a person at risk to stay safe and find professional support.

The ASIST program is well run by the National Coordinator Derek Philips, however Derek recognising the need and importance of suicide intervention programs has been running a campaign to have the Department provide the program with greater support and exposure.

The thing that I like about this program is it teaches prevention strategies and does not rely on reactive strategies.  It is about promoting awareness throughout this community, the veterans and their familles that will contribute to a solution for this very serious and disturbing problem. 

I think the Minister should be looking into this and giving this serious consideration.  I definitely think there is scope to bring the ASIST program and its associated courses under the umbrella of health services offered by the Department. 

This isn’t the only thing I think we should be doing but it would be a good start and it is something that the Minister can do right now.

Another practical measure that should be taken is for a review of communication strategies within the Department. 

The programs that are currently running and support that is available within the Department are often of a high quality.  They are often of a high quality yet they are often woefully underutilised.

The Minister needs to ensure that the information is getting out there. 

Two pertinent examples here are the Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service and the Vietnam Veterans’ Children Support Program.  These are two very worthwhile programs that I fear are being under utilised. 

I think that one of the problems is that often information about these programs is only provided to people who already are diagnosed with a problem.  We need to be getting this information out into the community to as many sources as possible so that people can start to recognise and spot problems, and if they do, they can be aware of the support that is available to them.

This is about being proactive and raising awareness rather than reacting.

An example of an initiative that I think could have been done better was the government’s provision of a free PTSD booklet to all Veterans diagnosed with PTSD.  This was welcomed by Labor but again the problem is it did not go far enough.  Providing already diagnosed sufferers of PTSD with an information booklet does not help those veterans who are yet to be diagnosed.  A free booklet should have been made available to the whole veteran community and their families. 

I was also glad to hear the Minister say recently that the Department is working on a strategy to raise awareness among GPs of the specific health issues that may be faced by veterans and their families. 

These are just some of the practical measures that I would ask the Minister to implement now.  We should not be waiting until the end of 2007.  These are measures that address the problems that we already know exist and therefore we have no excuse to wait.  And we should be identifying other initiatives that can be implemented now.

Given what we already know this is the least we can do for the families of those who have served this country so well.
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It seems there is to be a march from all points of the compass on Canberra. See the picture on my website at the following link and please circulate it as far and wide as you can.
 
http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/dobie/web/index.html
 
Bill Dobell

http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/dobie/web/index.html

Veterans' pensions don't cost

They contribute to the economy
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 Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study

 

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Hello all,

 

Please find following, a link to “Feasibility Study into a Health Study of Sons & Daughters of Vietnam Veterans”, on the Department of Veterans Affairs web site: http://www.dva.gov.au/adf/health/adf_health_studies.htm

 

The Feasibility Study says, inter alia;

“The committee has found that a study into the health of children of Vietnam veterans is feasible, the committee is of the view that there would be substantial merit in such a study”.

 

Minister Billson’s media releases are a series of contradictions, which are destroying any chance for sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans to understand their complex and significant health issues.

 

Minister Billson says:

1.                  “a study will be carried out into the health of veterans sons and daughters” (16 Sep 2006).

2.                  the “Australian Government shares the Vietnam veteran community’s concern about the mental health, emotional well-being and physical health of their sons and daughters” (16 Sep 2006).

3.                  “We now have both a practical and responsive framework in place to ensure the timely evaluation of clinical insights, conduct new research, but at the same time provide immediate, improved access to services and support.” (16 Sep 2006).

 

Thank you Minister, but they are a long way from developing policy and providing responsive services to the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans.

 

There are several concerns.

The Minister says
1.                  “We now have both a practical and responsive framework in place….”  (16 Sep 2006).

Not so, the “expansion of counselling services, and the expansion of educational assistance, are NOT significant steps towards new research into health issues.”

2.                  “We now have both a practical and responsive framework in place to ensure the timely evaluation of clinical insights, conduct new research, but at the same time provide immediate, improved access to services and support.”  ((16 Sep 2006).

Sons and daughters now have chronic health problems, which need to be understood NOW.  To obtain a response to a protocol is :

(a)                a very long way from commencing research, and

(b)               a very very long way from obtaining clinical insights or to understand the extent of the health problems; and

(c)                a an even longer time for the DVA to develop policy; and

(d)               a distance too far for those sons and daughters who require knowledge about their health conditions, now!

 

3.                  “I expect to have a Government response to ….the development of a “sound and workable” research protocol……. by the end of 2007,”  ((16 Sep 2006).

"Although the (feasibility) report proposes a pilot study that will take some years to complete, I am keen to pursue a staged approach to see work commence this year over a much shorter research period. My goal is to gain meaningful results sooner to help improve and better target health support and services available for the children of our Vietnam veterans.  "A staged approach will better support early action where services can be improved in parallel with further research. There are people who need help now and I do not want to see practical action delayed for years while research proceeds”.

 

Mrs Danna Vale, a previous Minister for Veterans Affairs had similar concerns but much more foresight.  She gave the go ahead for the Feasibility Study 31 August 2004.

 

Minister Billson indicates that he expects to have a response to the development of a protocol by the end of 2007. – Three years later and yet no study is near commencing.

 

That will be after the preparation for the 2007-2008 budget, so how will the funds be factored in before the 2008 budget are known?

 

It will also be after the 2007 Federal Election, that veterans sons and daughters know a way forward.

 

The Minister does not answer one of the most important issues:
How the stakeholders will be included in the development of the protocol, and what their opportunities to provide input to the initial stages of the research.  Sons and daughters, and veterans’ families are vital to the success of the research.

 

This is about children of veterans, not veterans!!

 

Why the long time-line?? Some believe we have been sidetracked for three years!!

 

Is this really Minister Billson’s fault, or is it the Prime Minister and Treasurer who are not providing funds.

 

At the recent AGM (17th September) of the Partners of Veterans Association of Australia, Victoria Branch it was proposed that women of the veteran community unite to walk on Canberra, next year.  It was suggested they would be able to unite all women of Australia with the common bond of a mother’s concern for her child’s health. I can inform you that planning is now well under way!  This will have a far better impact on the whole Government, not just the Minister for Veterans Affairs.

 

The Minister is repeatedly saying that each year there is an increasing amount of money being given to the DVA. The amount being spent on monuments is obscene.  The public and the veterans would prefer this money be spent on health and well being.

 

How many more veterans’ children have to suffer severe health problems and die before this Government actually does what it says needs to be done – A HEALTH STUDY OF SONS AND DAUGHTERS?

 

We are soon to have a chat page on our web site where you may talk to other like-minded people concerned about the health of the children of Vietnam veterans.

 

Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS
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From: J & A Hevey
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Regarding the Ministers announcement at the RSL National Congress, and subsequent media releases (see attachment ResearchResearch_com.htm, above for example), regarding his (the Minister's) appointment of a team from the Centre for Military and Veterans Health, to formulate Protocols to explore "  Intergenerational health impacts, resulting from parents military service" ...........  I would again suggest to the Veteran Community that we need to be very wary of what is going on here.
 
The Minister is not as many of us think, a goose.  He is in fact very astute, and is playing this issue along identical lines to the Clarke Report, which was trotted out after an inordinate amount of time and delays - just prior to the last Federal Election.
 
OK dismiss what I am saying as being uninformed speculation, but give some thought as to why the Minister announced that he expected to have the Protocols made available to him by late 2007 (when is the next Federal Election due? - late 2007).  Remember these are the Protocols only, we are not talking here about outcomes or investigation results or reports to be tabled in Parliament, we are talking only Protocols - or in military talk "the Terms of Reference". Once agreed, the Protocols or terms of reference, could quite conceivably (and most probably will) take a further term of Parliamentary office or  four years before a final report is placed before Parliament.
 
The Minister has started the ball rolling on this, but please read the above attachment (Fw _ Media release.eml). Obviously the informant does not want to be identified, and that is fair enough.  What he has to say is more than just a little interesting and supports my feelings on where the issue is going.
 
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From: Bodey L & R
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Media Release


One thing is for sure.

 

Bugger-all Billson will be working the entire show for nobody's benefit other than his own.

 

Veterans' families will be the last consideration.

 

I think he will attempt to blockade the study until he can announce it as a election gimmick.

 

After that he (or his replacement) will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to honour it.

 

As I said, those most affected will never be considered.

 

If there is a change of government then don't expect Labor to honour a Liberal undertaking.

LB

 

 

FROM BILL DOBELL

 

 

I suspect the Minister is making a token offer that will see us shut up until the next election is past.

 

Bill Dobell

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This is the Media Release the COVVHS people are not happy with.
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From: Bernie McGurgan
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:30 AM


Minister for Veterans' Affairs Mailing List

VA096   16 September 2006


PROGRESS ON CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS HEALTH STUDY


Leading research institution, the Centre for Military and Veterans' Health, has been appointed to undertake important research as part of the Government's comprehensive response to addressing the health needs of the sons and daughter of Vietnam veterans, Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Bruce Billson, today announced.

Mr Billson said the Australian Government shares the Vietnam veteran community's concern about the mental health, emotional well-being and physical health of their sons and daughters.

"I am pleased that significant progress has already been made on several fronts, including an expansion of counselling services and educational assistance, and now, significant steps towards new research into health issues," Mr Billson said.

"We now have both a practical and responsive framework in place to ensure the timely evaluation of clinical insights, conduct new research, but at the same time provide immediate, improved access to services and support."

Mr Billson said the Centre for Military and Veterans' Health, comprising of University of Queensland, University of South Australia and Charles Darwin University, has been appointed to develop a "sound and workable" research protocol in response to the Feasibility Study into a Health Study of the Sons and Daughters of Vietnam Veterans.

"The Centre for Military and Veterans' Health has substantial epidemiological and military health expertise, and I am pleased to be able to work with them in this important area," Mr Billson said.

"The feasibility study identified a number of significant issues that could impact on the success of any future research into intergenerational health effects of Vietnam service.

"These issues included difficulties in locating and recruiting the children of Vietnam veterans across the three services, while avoiding recruitment bias, and taking into account other factors which may impact on the health of the son or daughter, such as the role of the mother or other family members and other environmental influences," Mr Billson said.

"We are optimistic that the protocols being developed will enable us to gain meaningful insight sooner, than if we had followed the pilot study pathway. This will help ensure our services for sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans will be as relevant and responsive as possible.

"I expect to have a Government response to this work by the end of 2007," Mr Billson said.

An expert panel is also being formed to conduct peer reviews of future Australian and overseas research concerning the intergenerational health impact on children resulting from a parent's military service and deployment. 

"Potential chairs of the new Advisory Panel on Intergenerational Effects have been approached by my Department and I expect to announce an appointment shortly, " Mr Billson said.

"Once established, the panel will review relevant literature as it becomes available, and report to Government in a timely manner on any pertinent findings."

Mr Billson also recently announced that the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans aged 36 and over would continue to have access to Government-funded counselling through the Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service (VVCS).

"Around 17 per cent of the sons and daughters who have accessed counselling through VVCS are aged 36 years or over, suffering from social and interpersonal problems, depression, anxiety, relationship problems and health and wellness issues. The free support available through VVCS has been very beneficial and will now continue."

The Long Tan Bursary for children of Vietnam veterans has also been expanded. The bursary is designed to assist children of Vietnam veterans to make the transition from secondary schooling to tertiary study.

"Not only has the Long Tan Bursary been expanded from 30 $6000 bursaries over one or two years, to 50 $9000 bursaries over three years, it is now open to all children of Vietnam veterans in needy circumstances, undertaking an undergraduate course, regardless of their age or year of study," Mr Billson said.

"We have made significant progress and the Government will continue to seek improvements to services for children of Vietnam veterans."

Media inquiries: Cameron Hill  0408 239 521

Editors note: Applications for the Long Tan Bursary close on 31 October 2006.  Applications are available from the Australian Veterans' Children Assistance Trust, who administer the bursary scheme on behalf of the Department of Veterans' Affairs, on 1800  620  361 or vvt@accsoft.com.au.

The Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service is a specialised and confidential Australia-wide service for all Australian veterans and their families, and is available by calling 1800  011  046.

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From: J & A Hevey
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Media Release


Peoples
 
Whoa back!!!.  I read and re-read my old mate Ronnie's press release and must say that reading between the lines, it was a well put rebuff aimed at the Minister for Medals and Memorials Bruce Billson. Now that is saying something, coming from someone who perceives the current VVAA leadership and backroom manipulators, as being less than honest and up front with its members.
 
However, this is not Ronnie writing (I'll lay odds on it). In fact I doubt if my old mate Ronnie could even write his Service Number, let alone the offending press release.  So who did write it?  We know Ronnie couldn't have, so it must have come from someone within or with connections to the VVAA.  The tone of the press release also intimates a degree of education and understanding of the Australian political process, could it have been Ronnie's predecessor and lifelong mate/mentor Brian McKenzie?, me thinks not somehow. So come on which one of your erstwhile and highly revered VVAA leaders wrote the press release for Ronnie?, (and got the poor bugger in the shit).
 
Whoever it was that penned the press release, is astute enough to realize that the Minister for Medals and Memorials is playing a stalling game on the Children's Health study until election year 2007.  If the Minister was truly genuine about the plight of these Veterans Children, he would at least investigate what interim relief he could provide for those affected, and implement some form of positive assistance until the matter is reported upon.  I don't mean the provision of additional funding to existing support entitlements.  But rather new ones, that are applicable to those affected and in the majority of cases those who are well and truly outside of existing entitlement criteria in terms of age.
 
I feel that who ever the author of the press release was, used his or her smarts and suggested to the Minister that more needed to be done and quicker.   
 
Oh and one last thing to consider, is it not time for the Minister to come clean and let everyone know that the Medical opinion is that the report can take substantially less time than his late 2007 time frame.  Just who is kidding who on this Minister?.
 
       
Regards
The Great Garibaldi

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From: Matheson Family anne@netcon.net.au
 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:56 PM


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Subject: FW: Media Release

 

This is utter claptrap; should this be the best that Coxon can do for his first real media release as president then god help Vietnam veterans and their family’s,

David Matheson

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Len Barlow

 

To: **VVAA Vic ; Bob Elworthy ; Dick Culliford ; Graham Shard ; James Coghlan ; Jim Saddington ; John Ockwell ; Kevin Hunter ; Martin Rudelbach ; Maurie Benson ; Peter Bright ; Peter Liefman ; Reg McMaster ; VVAA Maryborough ; VVAA Ballarat ; VVAA Ballarat Pres ; VVAA Bendigo ; VVAA Box Hill ; VVAA Central Highlands ; VVAA Diamond Valley ; VVAA Echuca ; VVAA Frankston ; VVAA Geelong ; VVAA GLV ; VVAA Goulburn Valley ; VVAA Melb West ; VVAA Melton ; VVAA Mitchell ; VVAA Mornington ; VVAA Murray Border ; VVAA Museum ; VVAA Noble Park ; VVAA North West ; VVAA Outer Eastern ; VVAA RAAFV ; VVAA Swan Hill ; VVAA Warrnambool ; VVAA West Gippsland ; VVAA Wimmera

 

Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:41 PM

Subject: Media Release

 

From the National Secretary

 

Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:28 PM

Subject: Media Release

 

Please distribute the attached Media Release

 

Regards
Geoff Trevor-Hunt OAM
National Secretary
Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia
PO Box 8108 WARNBRO WA 6169
Phone/Fax: +61 8 9594 0429
Mobile 0419 355 471

 

Web Site: www.vvaa.org.au
 
"Honour the dead and fight like hell for the living"

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From: Ted McEvoy
To: 'Ted McEvoy'
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:29 PM
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study


G’Day All,

 

I realise that this contains much of what I emailed earlier in regards the media release by the minister. It does, however, contain some very pertinent remarks about the Department.

 

If you have not yet registered your email address with the COVVHS, I urge you to do so.

Visit the web-site at ----> http://www.covvhs.org.au/

 

Regards - Ted

 

From: Matheson Family anne@netcon.net.au
Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:17 AM
To: Matheson Family
Subject: Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study

 

Hello all,

 

Please find attached the long awaited media release from Mr Bruce Billson, Minister for Veterans Affairs, in regards to the ‘Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study’.

 

COVVHS welcomes the Minister’s Media Release from the ‘Long Tan’ dinner at Frankston, which advises of some of his intentions in relation to the progress of the Children’s Health Study.

 

COVVHS agreed with the Ministers statement in his media release of the 31st May 2006, VA 036. "A staged approach will better support early action where services can be improved in parallel with further research”.

 

The feasibility Study has been identified as a source of significant issues.  The media release also implies a response by the end of 2007,

 

This is a lengthy time lag considering ‘a staged approach’ is intended.

 

From the Ministers web site there have been approx 45 media releases since 31st May, many about memorials, etc. 

 

It would appear that some of Minister Billson’s senior bureaucrats are opposed to progressing this Children’s Study.

 

As key stakeholders in this research, the sons and daughters, and their families need to be involved from the planning stages.  Results of the study are dependent upon the protocol developed and the design of the study.  The key stakeholders can provide important information...

 

Stakeholders need to make representation to the Minister to ensure veterans families are informed, on a regular basis, about progress of the study design, and be included in a forum.

 

For the past four years COVVHS has been inviting members of the Vietnam Veteran community to register their email address on our web site, our email list is massive and we believe that we can now reach more than 50% of the Vietnam Veteran community, that is veterans, spouses and children.

 

This government and the next government would do well to make themselves fully aware of the hurt in this community.

Excerpt from Speech by Mr Alan Griffin, MP, Shadow Minister for Veterans’ Affairs to

RSL National Congress, Perth 12 September, 2006; “With an issue as important as this there needs to be full, open and transparent communication between the Minister and the veterans’ community”!

 

COVVHS fully concurs with Mr Griffin; the study must be open to the full scrutiny of the Veterans Community.

 

Kind regards,

David Matheson

President, COVVHS

 

 

 Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study

 

Chariot netconnect supports the Children of Vietnam Veterans Health Study - Call 1300 137 425 for all your internet needs

 

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PROGRESS ON CHILDREN OF VIETNAM VETERANS HEALTH STUDY

Leading research institution, the Centre for Military and Veterans Health, has been appointed to undertake important research as part of the Government’s comprehensive response to addressing the health needs of the sons and daughter of Vietnam veterans, Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, Bruce Billson, today announced.

Mr Billson said the Australian Government shares the Vietnam veteran community’s concern about the mental health, emotional well-being and physical health of their Sons and daughters.

I am pleased that significant progress has already been made on several fronts, including an expansion of counselling services and educational assistance, and now, significant steps towards new research into health issues,” Mr Billson said,

“We now have both a practical and responsive framework in place to ensure the timely evaluation of clinical insights, conduct new research, but at the same time provide immediate, improved access to services and support’
Mr Billson said the Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health, comprising of University of Queensland, University of South Australia and Charles Darwin University  has been appointed to develop a “sound and workable” research protocol in response to the Feasibility Study into a Health Study of the Sons and Daughters of Vietnam Veterans.

“The Centre for Military and Veterans’ Health has substantial epidemiological and military health expertise, and I am pleased to be able to work with them in this important area,” Mr Billson said.

“The feasibility study identified a number of significant issues that could impact on the success of any future research into intergenerational health effects of Vietnam service.

“These issues included difficulties in locating and recruiting the children of Vietnam veterans across the three services, while avoiding recruitment bias, and taking into account other factors which may impact on the health of the son or daughter, such as the role of the mother or other family members and other environmental influences,” Mr Billson said.

“We are optimistic that the protocols being developed will enable us to gain meaningful insight sooner, than if we had followed the pilot study pathway. This will help ensure our services for sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans will be as relevant and responsive as possible.

“I expect to have a Government response to this work by the end of 2007” Mr Billson said.

An expert panel is also being formed to conduct peer reviews of future Australian and overseas research concerning the intergenerational health impact on children resulting from a parent’s military service and deployment.

“Potential chairs of the new Advisory Panel on Intergenerational Effects have been approached by my Department and I expect to announce an appointment shortly, “ Mr Bilison said.

“Once established, the panel will review relevant literature as it becomes available, and report to Government in a timely manner on any pertinent findings.’
Mr Billson also recently announced that the sons and daughters of Vietnam veterans aged 36 and over would continue to have access to Government-funded counselling through the Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service (VVCS).

“Around 17 per cent of the Sons and daughters who have accessed counselling through VVCS are aged 36 years or over, suffering from social and interpersonal problems, depression, anxiety, relationship problems and health and wellness issues. The free support available through VVCS has been very beneficial and will now continue.”

The Long Tan Bursary for children of Vietnam veterans has also been expanded. The bursary is designed to assist children of Vietnam veterans to make the transition from secondary schooling to tertiary study.

Not only has the Long Tan Bursary been expanded from 30 $6000 bursaries over one or two years, to 50 $9000 bursaries over three years, it is now open to all children of Vietnam veterans in needy circumstances, undertaking an undergraduate course, regardless of their age or year of study,” Mr Billson said.

“We have made significant progress and the Government will continue to seek improvements to services for children of Vietnam veterans.’

Media inquiries: Cameron Hill 0408 239 521
Editors note: Applications for the Long Tan Bursary close on 31 October 2006.

Applications are available from the Australian Veterans’ Children Assistance Trust, who administer the bursary scheme on behalf of the Department of Veterans Affairs, on
1800 620 361 or wtaccsoft.com.au.

The Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service is a specialised and confidential Australia-wide service for all Australian veterans and their families, and is available by calling
1800011 046.
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From: advisor@echidna.id.au
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: DVA MEDIA RELEASE ON KIDS HEALTH STUDY




I would have to agree that COVVHS people should be concerned about this study.

If it is to follow the same methodology as the latest studies and in particular I refer to the Third Vietnam Veterans Mortality Study, then I would be very alarmed. There needs to be involvement by organisations such as COVVHS to ensure that the study is correctly modelled against Vietnam veterans that served in country in RVN for specific durations and not the fly or ship by nighters that are on the Vietnam Nominal Roll.

Comparisons should also be made against children of only those healthiest young Australians that did not serve in RVN and not by comparison against the 'general' population as per the study above.

ESOs will have to be on their toes as I am sure Billson has his agenda and after his acceptance of the last studies that were full of holes, then my faith in his judgement has deteriorated considerably.

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